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Post by pippin on Jul 13, 2016 1:46:36 GMT -5
Anyone else think Peter Braxton, aka Beastmaster Marc Singer, would have to be a little dim not to suspect that V might be the beast Graydal has been hunting. Just going by what would come up from googling "Vincent Keller" you would find that he had enlisted and been declared dead, been off the grid for over a decade, dated an heiress who was killed for some reason, was wanted for the murder of heiress' father whose heart was ripped out, is married to gal who claimed she was saved by a beast when her mother who worked for Muirfield was murdered. And since they have the resources to know that DHS is after V for killing Hill, you would think that they might ask around the hospital about V. and find that last year he was running from DHS as well and got shot and fell off the roof but recovered in time to get married and go on his honeymoon and is doing very well after having been shot just a couple of weeks ago.
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Post by bbatb on Jul 13, 2016 2:16:43 GMT -5
Anyone else think Peter Braxton, aka Beastmaster Marc Singer, would have to be a little dim not to suspect that V might be the beast Graydal has been hunting. Just going by what would come up from googling "Vincent Keller" you would find that he had enlisted and been declared dead, been off the grid for over a decade, dated an heiress who was killed for some reason, was wanted for the murder of heiress' father whose heart was ripped out, is married to gal who claimed she was saved by a beast when her mother who worked for Muirfield was murdered. And since they have the resources to know that DHS is after V for killing Hill, you would think that they might ask around the hospital about V. and find that last year he was running from DHS as well and got shot and fell off the roof but recovered in time to get married and go on his honeymoon and is doing very well after having been shot just a couple of weeks ago. He might have found out, if he were as smart as he said he was or as HE thinks he is. But if all the federal agencies that we have encountered so far in this show are populated by complete moros and idiots, why should the bad organizations be portrayed any better? Like you said in another post, even the super big bad of Season 1: Muirfield was constantly shown for being stupid and inept. And then in 201, we are being told that this puny little guy was supposedly THE mastermind behind it all and by blowing up a top floor apartment in some downtown building Muirfield is wiped from this planet? Seriously, writers, seriously Brad Kern? I too, believe that it would have been much better to have kept M. a lot longer and shown them to be a lot better at being really bad. As for Braxton - maybe he is a Renaissance guy who does not use the internet. LOL.
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Post by BeastieBoy on Jul 13, 2016 2:16:50 GMT -5
5. I know that Tess is supposed to be 'the voice of reason', but I think she could have been a bit more supportive of Catherine and Vincent and JT. She is constantly reiterating how dangerous it is for Catherine to help Vincent - to the point where she paints a picture of Catherine maybe going to prison. Not a fan of Tess in this episode. 6. JT is always on Vincent's side, although he did have a hard time here when Vincent wanted certain drugs/medication from him to inject the tied up goon in order to get information about who put out the bounty on beasts. He grumbled a bit about Vincent 'crossing the line', but he got on board. There were some VinCat moments, but due to this being more action packed and rather dark and dangerous, they were fewer than before, although quite intense. Good episode. Tess, JT, Cat, Vincent and maybe even heather should really all be in prison. At the very least, the four of them should join Heather in the unemployment line. How V. ever got hired by the hospital after being a high profile fugitive and how he managed to still be employed there after missing so much time his first year of work and getting chased through the hospital by SWAT is quite the feat. Cat has killed how many people off the books, tampered with evidence and broken goodness knows how many laws. And Tess, Cat and JT have all aided and abetted a fugitive and murderer, even if he was brainwashed. And its not like V hasn't turned himself in before, plus doing that would make him very unselfish. And now that he's apparently mastered his beastly side, at least he wouldn't have to worry about beasting out like he did the first time. I didn't think JT really got on board. I think there just wasn't anything he could do about it. It was a nice to see Tahmoh Pinikett playing the bounty hunter, however I find it funny that this is the third episode of a TV show he has been in that starred KK and I think they have yet to be in a scene together.Man I knew that guy looked very familiar, but I couldn't figure out where I had seen him before. Now I remembered thanks to you, he was in two different episodes of Smallville.
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Post by bbatb on Jul 13, 2016 2:48:45 GMT -5
I know him from the movie 'Beastmaster' and from the old scifi series 'V'. Not saying how many years ago that was. LOL.
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Post by pippin on Jul 13, 2016 9:48:31 GMT -5
Tess, JT, Cat, Vincent and maybe even heather should really all be in prison. At the very least, the four of them should join Heather in the unemployment line. How V. ever got hired by the hospital after being a high profile fugitive and how he managed to still be employed there after missing so much time his first year of work and getting chased through the hospital by SWAT is quite the feat. Cat has killed how many people off the books, tampered with evidence and broken goodness knows how many laws. And Tess, Cat and JT have all aided and abetted a fugitive and murderer, even if he was brainwashed. And its not like V hasn't turned himself in before, plus doing that would make him very unselfish. And now that he's apparently mastered his beastly side, at least he wouldn't have to worry about beasting out like he did the first time. I didn't think JT really got on board. I think there just wasn't anything he could do about it. It was a nice to see Tahmoh Pinikett playing the bounty hunter, however I find it funny that this is the third episode of a TV show he has been in that starred KK and I think they have yet to be in a scene together.Man I knew that guy looked very familiar, but I couldn't figure out where I had seen him before. Now I remembered thanks to you, he was in two different episodes of Smallville. Yeah it was confusing to me when he appeared again. I was wondering if he was supposed to be the same guy at first. Smallville did that a couple times and I'd be like, "Wait, I thought that character died." He was also in Battlestar Galactica and Continuum if you watched those and has been in a ton of other stuff. He's one of those actors whose appearance usually is a sign that a show is shot in Canada. Terry Chen and Hiro Kanagawa are a couple others. You'd think those two are the only Asian male actors casting directors consider hiring sometimes. I'm wondering if Tahmoh might show up again, but then it wouldn't be the first time the show used a familiar name and didn't do much with him like Colm Feore and Stephen McHattie.
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Post by alwayscrazedbatbfan on Jul 13, 2016 10:57:23 GMT -5
That is the thing I don't get---Bob Reynolds and others have stated that someone will ALWAYS be after Vincent because he is a beast. And it seems like Reynolds was able to find him easily enough. But why Muirfield and these new corporations never could when cross-species DNA cases kept cropping up in ONE particular precinct and then Vincent's high-profile report of being "alive" after his whole UNIT was wiped out. . . then the criminal charges, task force, being on the run AND the police and feds being unable to catch him. . . Just wow. Our federal agencies NEVER come across as efficient, honest, or concerned about doing the right thing in protecting its citizens. But BATB has always had giant plotholes that you could drive a train through, so this is nothing new. It is what it is. STILL makes for an interesting plotline with this whole new organization that is out there for both retrieval and bounty operations as well as assassinations. Quite tidy, with them handling all manner of criminal stuff! And PIPPIN, you REALLY worry me----wanting Vincent or Catherine dead? That is just WRONG. There are many shows out there that do horrible things to their main characters. I actually want a show where the fairy tale ends happily!! And after what happened to the ORIGINAL BATB, I rather think we Beastie fans are entitled to it.
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Post by alwayscrazedbatbfan on Jul 13, 2016 11:21:47 GMT -5
As to Kyle---BATB could really do anything with his character. Kyle could be an innocent originally when meeting Heather that then gets approached by the baddies or else later killed by the baddies. I mean, with him insisting on being around Heather and being supposedly clueless as to what is really going on, he could be another Evan that gets recruited or approached by the bad corporation under some guise in order to lure Heather (and Vincent and Catherine as a result) to them. So we don't even HAVE to classify Kyle as good or bad yet---everything depends on how he gets used by all involved!
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Post by AlisongladaboutSeason4 on Jul 13, 2016 17:56:42 GMT -5
Okay, having seen the episode and read through all the comments which always entertains me, I'm adding my two cents in - only I don't have the patience to write a long comment ( ironic, isn't it ? Considering how long my chapters are ) 1: So many of you have brought up points that I totally agree with so I won't reiterate the same things , particularly BeastieBoy and bbatb . - thoroughly agree with all that you both said. 2: Vincent was showing his inner Condor through this episode - aggressive, confident, determined - all adding up to delicious sexy man. RAWR !!3: I really hope that Kyle doesn't turn out to be the bad guy and that he's been using Heather to get to Vincent all this time - Heather deserves a better exit storyline than that. Hope he turns out to be secretly trying to help them in some way. 4 well done Heather on lying to Kyle - whether she thought of it or not - she solved the dilemma of answering Kyle without ruining everything. There is something big coming with him - I feel it. 5: Vincent all condor-like was super sexy. Just saying. Lol
6: Tess really got on my bad side in this episode for the first time. I wanted to smack her. 7: seriously, with how good this season is, it just shows up s3 as being a complete miss. Other than the proposal and wedding and a few other random moments, that whole season could be scrapped and replaced with this season and I'd be okay with that, especially since there'd still be another season coming up, s4 is far superior to s3 in terms of everything - wardrobe, writing, storylines, vincat relations and feelings. Everything. 8: Vincents dream - a total psyche out lol 9: I can see that this episode already explains why we are meant to have a "racy" bedroom scene in the next episode - they miss each other coz of him hiding out in the dungeon - limited time. 10: did I mention that Vincent was all sexy condor- like ? Huh!! I said I don't do long comments....yet look what I did.!! Doh ! ebeline . dresden @luna He maybe sexy, but it's his Condor side that's worrying me. Vincent, IMHO, was not a good man under the FBI's brainwashing that turned him into Condor. It does make him much more dangerous and unpredictable now, almost desperate at times. Which is actually a good thing in that it makes the show less predictable and more suspenseful. But it does cause me some angst over how this behavior might affect Cat, if she ever saw the Condor side of V in person the way JT did. Don't worry BeastieBoy. Just that adrenaline working it's way out of his system, I think. Soft and fuzzy Vincent is just under the surface.
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Post by joyabeast on Jul 14, 2016 0:53:43 GMT -5
The episode was good. I think V is getting reckless because he seems too confident that he can do this on his own but if all was so easy than the situation wouldn't become like this. From the begining of the season he never really understood the depth of the problem. I hope the show doesn't end in tragedy.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2016 2:20:47 GMT -5
I don't think Vincent is become reckless or too confident with himself, I think that he is desperate. He is afraid of a turning back into old days when he was in hiding, alone, more beast than a man. but this time not only his life is in danger but even the life of every people he loves. Showing himself so determined, it makes other people think that he is sure of what he is doing and because they trust him they let him playing his game, that could be a suicide game. Otherwise everybody would be with him in the play to save him and help him. He thinks that he doesn't have nothing to loose right now but his friends and Cat over everyone.
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Post by Jewels on Jul 14, 2016 4:11:20 GMT -5
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Post by joyabeast on Jul 14, 2016 6:40:20 GMT -5
I know a lot of people didn't like Tess in this episode but I have been thinking that really all Vincent brought into their lives are problems.Granted he saved Tess life a few time but she was in danger, for him in the first place.So even though I love V to the bits I get where Tess came from.I mean with Cat atleast she is in love with Vincent but what Tess get from all this mess.
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Post by BeastieBoy on Jul 14, 2016 11:54:17 GMT -5
I know a lot of people didn't like Tess in this episode but I have been thinking that really all Vincent brought into their lives are problems.Granted he saved Tess life a few time but she was in danger, for him in the first place.So even though I love V to the bits I get where Tess came from.I mean with Cat atleast she is in love with Vincent but what Tess get from all this mess. I agree with you. Tess didn't bother me in this episode either. I know everyone wants to be all Team VinCat, but I felt both Tess and JT were being good friends in trying to provide some balanced guidance. Vincent and Catherine are too emotionally caught up in everything to where they don't always see how far they've crossed the line.
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Post by alwayscrazedbatbfan on Jul 14, 2016 12:02:15 GMT -5
I have to wait until tonight when I have finally seen this episode to truly weigh in, but I would say that Tess is NEVER at risk of becoming another Hill who only cares about herself. She has proven consistently that she is a good friend to Cat. She and JT even had that exchange ages ago (back beginning S2) where JT said "I'm just trying to help my friend" and Tess replied "me, too." So it is not that Tess does not like Vincent---that was actually one of the things they covered in S3. She DOES like Vincent, but when the stuff hits the fan over beast-issues or Vincent's misdeeds, Tess will always point out to Cat about what Cat risks and what the cost of her actions could be for Cat.
Because the truth is that Cat has shown that she is willing to sacrifice ANYTHING for Vincent, including her own well-being and happiness. So Tess tries to be a source of reason when Cat goes into Protect Vincent mode. That way, Cat knows the cost coming to Cat upfront so that she makes the most rational decisions. And that is Tess being the best friend and confidante of Cat.
And the important thing is that Tess has taken a suspension to ultimately support Cat's wrongdoing, such as knowingly aiding Cat with a fugitive (Vincent). So Tess has ALWAYS come through for Catherine when Cat decides to support Vincent no matter the cost. And Tess certainly has a right to tell Cat what it is costing her in defending or covering for Cat. Fair enough. But like I said above, despite whatever cautionary words or grief Tess gives Cat about protecting Vincent, Tess still has always supported Cat in the long-run, despite the cost to herself. So she is a good friend to Cat, even if I don't necessarily like what she has to say sometimes.
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Post by bbatb on Jul 14, 2016 12:29:46 GMT -5
I hear everybody, but I still stand by my assessement of Tess. THIS is probably the most dangerous situation VinCat have EVER been in and what Catherine needs now is the full support of Tess, JT and Heather. She does NOT need to hear that she could go to prison or that she should turn Vincent in. Catherine is a cop just like Tess, her father was an attorney, so she KNOWS exactly what she is getting into and what she is risking for Vincent - she is not stupid. I understand Tess' fears in that she always thinks that Catherine is 'losing her head' when it comes to Vincent, but I think she should trust her a bit more. I just do not like the sentence: 'You know that I love you and Vincent, BUT.....' and then she launches into this doom and gloom predictions about what is going to happen to them. I think Catherine has enough on her plate. Of course, Tess is in my black book and off my Christmas list for shipping 'the one we shall never mention again' to Catherine constantly in S2. I have a long memory and I am not the forgiving kind when it comes to the ADA from hell.
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