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Post by BeastieBoy on Jul 11, 2016 15:25:06 GMT -5
Thanks Jewels . @luna76 was right, nice catch Luna. Yet another reason for why I'm staying away from spoilers! LOL. I had totally forgotten about that promo pic. But if I had remembered, I'd be quite disappointed that we didn't get the kind of emotional scene that I might have expected.
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Post by evanarose on Jul 11, 2016 16:02:26 GMT -5
Good episode - not as good as the two previous ones - but fun to watch and most importantly it moved the plot forward quite a bit. 1. As we suspected Catherine ratted out Vincent ONLY to prove her sincerity to want to continue to work for DHS and to help bring Vincent in alive. The twist is that Vincent was NOT in on the plan. She counted on him getting away and on him being able to tell by her heartbeat that she was not really giving him up. A bit complicated, but it worked - he trusted her and came back later to meet her in the dungeon. Love that the dungeon is back in play. 2. Vincent is becoming more pro-active in this episode and he has plans and ideas of his own. He is infiltrating a black ops organization named Graydal by luring out and taking out and interrogating one of their goons. Then he takes the unconscious goon back to Graydal headquarters and demands to see the boss. He offers his services to them and apparently they take him in. We do not really get to see them agreeing, but it is implied that he is in. 3. DHS is taking JT in for questioning and is confiscating all of his computers. Luckily, he wiped everything clean before they picked them up. At DHS he meets Heather who was also taken in for questioning. We do not see how they were questioned, but they are both out later and JT is ordering more computers to continue to help Vincent. 4. Heather is meeting with Kyle who is VERY insistent that she finally tells him what the big secret is. For once, Heather impresses me by deftly lying to Kyle. The look on his face puts him on my 'suspicious' list. THAT may be intentional by the writers and he may be just really concerned for Heather, but I am not sure about him. 5. I know that Tess is supposed to be 'the voice of reason', but I think she could have been a bit more supportive of Catherine and Vincent and JT. She is constantly reiterating how dangerous it is for Catherine to help Vincent - to the point where she paints a picture of Catherine maybe going to prison. Not a fan of Tess in this episode. 6. JT is always on Vincent's side, although he did have a hard time here when Vincent wanted certain drugs/medication from him to inject the tied up goon in order to get information about who put out the bounty on beasts. He grumbled a bit about Vincent 'crossing the line', but he got on board. There were some VinCat moments, but due to this being more action packed and rather dark and dangerous, they were fewer than before, although quite intense. Good episode. Y'all make good points here! I'm not sure about Kyle...Honestly haven't picked up any dodgy vibes until this episode. I have to rewatch the scene on his expression but he was quite persistent in wanting to know, which got me wondering. On the other hand, his response makes sense...he can't help her if he doesn't know and the fact that people were asking questions regarding Vincent would have me worried too. I can see at the start Kyle would respect the decision, trust there's a good reason why she is keeping the secret but now that the situation is escalating hmm...But this could be the case where the writers are setting it up this way to make us think that! I really hope Kyle has no dodgy involvement they seem like a great couple and he is a charming guy! I'm trying to figure out where I've seen the actor before, he looks familiar too. It's just if Kyle turns out decent and Heather lied to him...it's gonna blow up! I don't think Kyle will take it well, particularly when he said thanks for being honest eek... This whole plot with DHS, Cat and Vincent, who's working for who is getting complicated! So thanks to those in the thread who clarified it! They are definitely in dangerous territory now. I can't see this plan sticking out for long. But I wonder how they'll end the series now. I would think DHS would realize Vincent was set up and not a threat. But the self defense explanation :/ to be honest, the way the scene was set up last episode doesn't look the most effective way from the director/writers pov to make it look that way. I mean Vincent wasn't at his most vulnerable physically (as in he was physically hurt) when he killed Hill..Vincent even paused. I'm not saying it's not self defense at all...Hill was shooting at him and he was filled with adrenaline so he was out of control BUT it wasn't like Vincent was shot with a gun and then there was a big struggle to make it obviously look like self defense. THOUGH I know that Hill was trying to make the situation that Vincent was the attacker not him..so the writers didn't set up that way. I think there could've been more struggle/action use in that scene though. I wouldve thought Hill may have tried to fight more but it makes sense seeing the beast the first time I wonder how Cat would take the Condor Vincent that JT saw. I admit it was thrilling to watch...seeing Jay bad a and hot! Without beasting out BUT I can see this dwifting vincat apart. Then again this really does bring the issue of TRUST and crossing the line. How far will Vincent and Catherine go with covering up? To the point where they are forced to separate anyway when in fact the objective is to be together which makes them stronger. And when they are apart will one of them or should I say more likely Vincent will go further and sacrifice more..crossing the line to the point that it breaks them apart? I have a feeling this issue will be addressed more in later episodes. Both of them may end up so preoccupied in covering up that they begin to lose sight in the relationship.
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Post by zelly309 on Jul 11, 2016 18:32:35 GMT -5
Okay, having seen the episode and read through all the comments which always entertains me, I'm adding my two cents in - only I don't have the patience to write a long comment ( ironic, isn't it ? Considering how long my chapters are ) 1: So many of you have brought up points that I totally agree with so I won't reiterate the same things , particularly BeastieBoy and bbatb . - thoroughly agree with all that you both said. 2: Vincent was showing his inner Condor through this episode - aggressive, confident, determined - all adding up to delicious sexy man. RAWR !!3: I really hope that Kyle doesn't turn out to be the bad guy and that he's been using Heather to get to Vincent all this time - Heather deserves a better exit storyline than that. Hope he turns out to be secretly trying to help them in some way. 4 well done Heather on lying to Kyle - whether she thought of it or not - she solved the dilemma of answering Kyle without ruining everything. There is something big coming with him - I feel it. 5: Vincent all condor-like was super sexy. Just saying. Lol
6: Tess really got on my bad side in this episode for the first time. I wanted to smack her. 7: seriously, with how good this season is, it just shows up s3 as being a complete miss. Other than the proposal and wedding and a few other random moments, that whole season could be scrapped and replaced with this season and I'd be okay with that, especially since there'd still be another season coming up, s4 is far superior to s3 in terms of everything - wardrobe, writing, storylines, vincat relations and feelings. Everything. 8: Vincents dream - a total psyche out lol 9: I can see that this episode already explains why we are meant to have a "racy" bedroom scene in the next episode - they miss each other coz of him hiding out in the dungeon - limited time. 10: did I mention that Vincent was all sexy condor- like ? Huh!! I said I don't do long comments....yet look what I did.!! Doh ! ebeline . dresden @luna He maybe sexy, but it's his Condor side that's worrying me. Vincent, IMHO, was not a good man under the FBI's brainwashing that turned him into Condor. It does make him much more dangerous and unpredictable now, almost desperate at times. Which is actually a good thing in that it makes the show less predictable and more suspenseful. But it does cause me some angst over how this behavior might affect Cat, if she ever saw the Condor side of V in person the way JT did. Good morning. Alright, all joking aside, I get what you're saying BeastieBoy. IMHO, I see condor in two ways - I agree that he wasn't a good man when he first was found in s2 and attribute that to the brainwashing and the fact that he had no emotional connections at that point and was completely unpredictable. However after he started to get some memories you have condor version two, less dangerous slightly. After the blow up with almost killing Reynolds and Cat shooting him, I don't see him as Condor anymore - from there, when he's with the unmentionable redhead, he's just a cold calculating killer and he has reason to be that way, at that point. There's so much I could say about s2 around this time. Thankfully we do get the old Vincent back. The parts of condor that were sexy were the tough badass parts of him (I'm a woman, can't help it, lol) but I truly believe that even if he's being a little condor-ish right now, it's not the same because he has Cat, he would NEVER jeopardise that. He's first and last concern is always her and while he may be dangerous to others, he'd never risk losing her now. He's said it multiple times this season - they've worked too hard for what they have, he'd never risk losing her. With her, he is always better. Cat brings out the best in him. So, my speedy friend, fear not !! Do not angst !! All will be well. (Unless the writers make a colossal 180 and ruin everything they've built this season)
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Post by rose on Jul 11, 2016 18:42:17 GMT -5
"I know that Tess is supposed to be 'the voice of reason', but I think she could have been a bit more supportive of Catherine and Vincent and JT. She is constantly reiterating how dangerous it is for Catherine to help Vincent - to the point where she paints a picture of Catherine maybe going to prison. Not a fan of Tess in this episode."
That is the one thing that jumped at me in this episode. I disliked Tess in this episode. I also thought she could have been more supportive of Cat. I could be biased but it always seems like whenever things get difficult Tess is always willing to throw Vincent under the bus. Heather really impressed me in this episode. In spite of all the pressure she was under she managed to stay loyal and supportive to Cat and Vincent.
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Post by jefferen on Jul 11, 2016 20:22:46 GMT -5
So three things I just wanted to say besides the fact that this was another amazing episode and they really are going all out finally for this show. 1. We were all talking about V blurring with Cat, but I thought it was hysterical when he did it with JT. I laughed out loud! Austin played it perfectly, his face and the way he played JTs confusion when V said to sit and hold onto the bag tightly.
2. Kyle, I'm on the fence about if we should trust him or not. He seems innocent enough, but I just got this nagging feeling like why are they wasting so much screen time and bringing him back for continuous episodes if he wasn't important or if he was just gonna be Heathers boyfriend? There is more to him. I almost feel like he's either the big bad bounty hunter or the one right under him. Does anyone know how many episodes he's in? And what is his last episode?
3. Finally, I love how everything is coming full circle or history is repeating itself meaning just like S1, someone is out to get V and he's running/in hiding from the law, yes, he's been in that situation more than once, but this time it has that S1 vibe to it. I think imo, V coming out as alive happened way too quickly in the series. I could've taken seasons of VinCat hiding out from the law and Muirfield. Muirfield really should've just remained the ultimate big bad of the series or atleast a few seasons.
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Post by zelly309 on Jul 11, 2016 20:51:48 GMT -5
So three things I just wanted to say besides the fact that this was another amazing episode and they really are going all out finally for this show. 1. We were all talking about V blurring with Cat, but I thought it was hysterical when he did it with JT. I laughed out loud! Austin played it perfectly, his face and the way he played JTs confusion when V said to sit and hold onto the bag tightly. 2. Kyle, I'm on the fence about if we should trust him or not. He seems innocent enough, but I just got this nagging feeling like why are they wasting so much screen time and bringing him back for continuous episodes if he wasn't important or if he was just gonna be Heathers boyfriend? There is more to him. I almost feel like he's either the big bad bounty hunter or the one right under him. Does anyone know how many episodes he's in? And what is his last episode? 3. Finally, I love how everything is coming full circle or history is repeating itself meaning just like S1, someone is out to get V and he's running/in hiding from the law, yes, he's been in that situation more than once, but this time it has that S1 vibe to it. I think imo, V coming out as alive happened way too quickly in the series. I could've taken seasons of VinCat hiding out from the law and Muirfield. Muirfield really should've just remained the ultimate big bad of the series or atleast a few seasons. Hey there, I like all of your points but especially point three. I agree. They could have done the Muirfield thing for lots longer. To me, it's another thing that BK is responsible for. (That's code for stuffed up)
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Post by runner12batb on Jul 11, 2016 22:34:37 GMT -5
So three things I just wanted to say besides the fact that this was another amazing episode and they really are going all out finally for this show. 2. Kyle, I'm on the fence about if we should trust him or not. He seems innocent enough, but I just got this nagging feeling like why are they wasting so much screen time and bringing him back for continuous episodes if he wasn't important or if he was just gonna be Heathers boyfriend? There is more to him. I almost feel like he's either the big bad bounty hunter or the one right under him. Does anyone know how many episodes he's in? And what is his last episode? I agree with you about Kyle He seems innocent enough but i don't know ....
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Post by evanarose on Jul 12, 2016 0:09:26 GMT -5
So three things I just wanted to say besides the fact that this was another amazing episode and they really are going all out finally for this show. 2. Kyle, I'm on the fence about if we should trust him or not. He seems innocent enough, but I just got this nagging feeling like why are they wasting so much screen time and bringing him back for continuous episodes if he wasn't important or if he was just gonna be Heathers boyfriend? There is more to him. I almost feel like he's either the big bad bounty hunter or the one right under him. Does anyone know how many episodes he's in? And what is his last episode? I agree with you about Kyle He seems innocent enough but i don't know .... That's a really good point! I hope it's the case the writers are trying to trick us! I don't think the writers should set it up so every person who gets close to Tess/JT/Vincent/Cat/Heather should have some ulterior motive...it's enough Vincat put the trust in Hill and that backfired. But you do have a point, they'd probably have a reason for putting him in. I have a feeling someway he'll be involved..maybe it'll be a case where he'll have to make a decision whether to trust Heather about Vincent. It'll be interesting if it played out in a way when Tess found out about Vincent. Or it could be the case he accidentally stumbles on some info regarding Vincent and comes to conclusions without the full story..Anyway we shall see. It's hard to imagine him being fully bad a, I'd like to think if he were someway involved he'd be redeemable, hopefully!Or some twist
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Post by Jewels on Jul 12, 2016 4:35:55 GMT -5
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Post by pippin on Jul 13, 2016 0:18:49 GMT -5
So three things I just wanted to say besides the fact that this was another amazing episode and they really are going all out finally for this show. 1. We were all talking about V blurring with Cat, but I thought it was hysterical when he did it with JT. I laughed out loud! Austin played it perfectly, his face and the way he played JTs confusion when V said to sit and hold onto the bag tightly. 2. Kyle, I'm on the fence about if we should trust him or not. He seems innocent enough, but I just got this nagging feeling like why are they wasting so much screen time and bringing him back for continuous episodes if he wasn't important or if he was just gonna be Heathers boyfriend? There is more to him. I almost feel like he's either the big bad bounty hunter or the one right under him. Does anyone know how many episodes he's in? And what is his last episode? 3. Finally, I love how everything is coming full circle or history is repeating itself meaning just like S1, someone is out to get V and he's running/in hiding from the law, yes, he's been in that situation more than once, but this time it has that S1 vibe to it. I think imo, V coming out as alive happened way too quickly in the series. I could've taken seasons of VinCat hiding out from the law and Muirfield. Muirfield really should've just remained the ultimate big bad of the series or atleast a few seasons. If you really want to know about Kyle's episode count and his last episode, BATB's IMDB page has that info, but it could be a little spoilery. I think season 1 made Muirfield look too incompetent to be an effective big bad. At first I thought that Muirfield was a bunch of scientists who were trying to cover up their crimes and that's why they were so bad at finding and eliminating their targets. Their security or assassins couldn't take out V and / or C in the Pilot, Basic Instinct, Cold Turkey, Insatiable, Heart of Darkness or Playing with Fire, they couldn't find V through JT or Cat, and their lab and vital Orchard were easily broken into.
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Post by BeastieBoy on Jul 13, 2016 0:30:03 GMT -5
So three things I just wanted to say besides the fact that this was another amazing episode and they really are going all out finally for this show. 1. We were all talking about V blurring with Cat, but I thought it was hysterical when he did it with JT. I laughed out loud! Austin played it perfectly, his face and the way he played JTs confusion when V said to sit and hold onto the bag tightly. 2. Kyle, I'm on the fence about if we should trust him or not. He seems innocent enough, but I just got this nagging feeling like why are they wasting so much screen time and bringing him back for continuous episodes if he wasn't important or if he was just gonna be Heathers boyfriend? There is more to him. I almost feel like he's either the big bad bounty hunter or the one right under him. Does anyone know how many episodes he's in? And what is his last episode? 3. Finally, I love how everything is coming full circle or history is repeating itself meaning just like S1, someone is out to get V and he's running/in hiding from the law, yes, he's been in that situation more than once, but this time it has that S1 vibe to it. I think imo, V coming out as alive happened way too quickly in the series. I could've taken seasons of VinCat hiding out from the law and Muirfield. Muirfield really should've just remained the ultimate big bad of the series or atleast a few seasons. If you really want to know about Kyle's episode count and his last episode, BATB's IMDB page has that info, but it could be a little spoilery.I think season 1 made Muirfield look too incompetent to be an effective big bad. At first I thought that Muirfield was a bunch of scientists who were trying to cover up their crimes and that's why they were so bad at finding and eliminating their targets. Their security or assassins couldn't take out V and / or C in the Pilot, Basic Instinct, Cold Turkey, Insatiable, Heart of Darkness or Playing with Fire, they couldn't find V through JT or Cat, and their lab and vital Orchard were easily broken into. For those that do look up the info on Kyle via IMDB, please do not post what you find here. This thread will be moved from the Spoiler section into the Episode section. So for those like me, who are trying to stay spoiler free, would appreciate not seeing it in a non-spoiler part of this forum. Thanks in advance.
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Post by pippin on Jul 13, 2016 1:04:05 GMT -5
5. I know that Tess is supposed to be 'the voice of reason', but I think she could have been a bit more supportive of Catherine and Vincent and JT. She is constantly reiterating how dangerous it is for Catherine to help Vincent - to the point where she paints a picture of Catherine maybe going to prison. Not a fan of Tess in this episode. 6. JT is always on Vincent's side, although he did have a hard time here when Vincent wanted certain drugs/medication from him to inject the tied up goon in order to get information about who put out the bounty on beasts. He grumbled a bit about Vincent 'crossing the line', but he got on board. There were some VinCat moments, but due to this being more action packed and rather dark and dangerous, they were fewer than before, although quite intense. Good episode. Tess, JT, Cat, Vincent and maybe even heather should really all be in prison. At the very least, the four of them should join Heather in the unemployment line. How V. ever got hired by the hospital after being a high profile fugitive and how he managed to still be employed there after missing so much time his first year of work and getting chased through the hospital by SWAT is quite the feat. Cat has killed how many people off the books, tampered with evidence and broken goodness knows how many laws. And Tess, Cat and JT have all aided and abetted a fugitive and murderer, even if he was brainwashed. And its not like V hasn't turned himself in before, plus doing that would make him very unselfish. And now that he's apparently mastered his beastly side, at least he wouldn't have to worry about beasting out like he did the first time. I didn't think JT really got on board. I think there just wasn't anything he could do about it. It was a nice to see Tahmoh Pinikett playing the bounty hunter, however I find it funny that this is the third episode of a TV show he has been in that starred KK and I think they have yet to be in a scene together.
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Post by pippin on Jul 13, 2016 1:13:08 GMT -5
Overall, this was a solid episode, that moved the story along. Some nice VinCat moments and a little of the bitter-sweet togetherness against all odds of last week again. Can't wait for the next episode, when I am hoping, nay expecting, my glasses to fog up - with not a hot shower in sight. I wouldn't mind if the episodes piled on more of a sense of despair for VinCat but then I'm still hoping for one of them to die, for real, the character that is. As for fogging up your glasses, I could tell you about that in the other section
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Post by bbatb on Jul 13, 2016 1:26:40 GMT -5
Okay, I looked up Kyle and I know how long he will be with us. BUT I AM NOT TELLING - not to worry BeastieBoy! It is easy for those who want to know. Little trivia: the actor is a licensed attorney. So, he could keep Heather out of prison if she gets in trouble for lying and aiding her 'criminal' brother-in-law. LOL.
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Post by bbatb on Jul 13, 2016 1:34:23 GMT -5
Overall, this was a solid episode, that moved the story along. Some nice VinCat moments and a little of the bitter-sweet togetherness against all odds of last week again. Can't wait for the next episode, when I am hoping, nay expecting, my glasses to fog up - with not a hot shower in sight. I wouldn't mind if the episodes piled on more of a sense of despair for VinCat but then I'm still hoping for one of them to die, for real, the character that is. As for fogging up your glasses, I could tell you about that in the other section Oh, pippin you bloodthirsty woman! LOL. I agree that the dark and despairing situation they are in makes for good drama, but having somebody die! No, no, no, we have to come out of this valley of tears victoriously and ride into a glorious sunset with our couple happily united and TOGETHER. Don't forget THIS is a fairy tale and only the baddies die.
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