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Post by Andromeda03 on Jul 10, 2016 16:41:11 GMT -5
Happy Episode Day!Welcome to the episode thread for Beauty and the Beast episode 4x07 Point of No Return! This thread is not only for those in Canada who get to watch tonight on Showcase, a total of 4 days earlier than the US, but for everyone who watches from now until the US airing on Thursday on The CW and anytime after that. Please feel free to use this thread to live-blog as you're watching (during any airing) and continue to use it to discuss this episode as much, and in as much detail, as you want going forward. For now this thread will be in the Spoilers Section, but on Thursday night it will move to the Episode Discussion area for the US airing. For those who haven't had a chance to see the episode, please know that there will be details in here that will not be in the normal spoiler threads or elsewhere on the forum. Those who have not seen it do enter and read this thread at their own risk of being spoiled. As you can tell only part of the episode title is the title of the thread, this will be fixed and updated on Thursday when the Early Viewers warning is no longer needed. Happy viewing and enjoy the episode everyone!
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Post by evanarose on Jul 11, 2016 0:03:17 GMT -5
Oh my goodness! This episode was intense! The sad thing from this episode is that you do get a sense that the series is ending or an idea how the series could end...One part of me hopes it won't be too predictable but I don't want that tragic ending with vincat in hiding forever! This episode was abit more action/crime based, well basically Vincat themselves dealing with the aftermath of the previous episode. The start of the epi was a surprise! I'm thinking there's no way Vincent would be so chilled after what happened at the end of last episode...I knew something didn't add up lol and then it made sense- it was a dream! I'm still a little confused on Cat trying to turn Vincent in...I have to watch the episode again because at the start, the way they set up the episode, I thought omg Cat is actually considering this...what's the twist? There is a twist but from my understanding she did it to gain the trust back from security..but was there another reason? I knew they suspected Cat knowing Vincents whereabouts, I guess this threw them off the scent. Quite amusing to watch Vincents superspeed with Cat and then JT sitting on the chair! Anyway I got more to write about the episode but I'll watch it again first! Lol
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2016 2:37:09 GMT -5
Oh my goodness! This episode was intense! The sad thing from this episode is that you do get a sense that the series is ending or an idea how the series could end...One part of me hopes it won't be too predictable but I don't want that tragic ending with vincat in hiding forever! This episode was abit more action/crime based, well basically Vincat themselves dealing with the aftermath of the previous episode. The start of the epi was a surprise! I'm thinking there's no way Vincent would be so chilled after what happened at the end of last episode...I knew something didn't add up lol and then it made sense- it was a dream! I'm still a little confused on Cat trying to turn Vincent in...I have to watch the episode again because at the start, the way they set up the episode, I thought omg Cat is actually considering this...what's the twist? There is a twist but from my understanding she did it to gain the trust back from security..but was there another reason? I knew they suspected Cat knowing Vincents whereabouts, I guess this threw them off the scent. Quite amusing to watch Vincents superspeed with Cat and then JT sitting on the chair! Anyway I got more to write about the episode but I'll watch it again first! LolThese scene provide me some sort of relief between havy sense of anxiety. And I know that it could sound stupid but I was worried for them after watching the episode, I mean... it's a tv show but they are able to make you feel part of the story. Thumb up to actors, writers and director. My anxiety grew up when Vincent took off his wedding ring while alone in the interrogation room (or something like that) ... I thought that he hasn't inderstood what was Cat's porpouse and why she was doing that and really feel betrayed. But the last scene gave me a little breath. I don't know about JT: he saw a very determined Vincent and he seemed a little bit upset by his friend's behaviour like he si thinking that he is really out of his mind. And Tess: how could you suggest to Cat to turn Vincent in that easy way? I understand that you feel like all of these things are putting your life and position in danger but they are both your friends! I don't have words for Heather instead.. maybe it would have been better if they have never involved her. I wasn't a supporter of "the Kyle is the bad boy" thing, but after his "Thank you for telling me the truth" I have bad feelings.. More comments after rewatching with subtitles... there were lots of dialogs that I have missed in some part
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Post by bbatb on Jul 11, 2016 2:42:13 GMT -5
Good episode - not as good as the two previous ones - but fun to watch and most importantly it moved the plot forward quite a bit.
1. As we suspected Catherine ratted out Vincent ONLY to prove her sincerity to want to continue to work for DHS and to help bring Vincent in alive. The twist is that Vincent was NOT in on the plan. She counted on him getting away and on him being able to tell by her heartbeat that she was not really giving him up. A bit complicated, but it worked - he trusted her and came back later to meet her in the dungeon. Love that the dungeon is back in play.
2. Vincent is becoming more pro-active in this episode and he has plans and ideas of his own. He is infiltrating a black ops organization named Graydal by luring out and taking out and interrogating one of their goons. Then he takes the unconscious goon back to Graydal headquarters and demands to see the boss. He offers his services to them and apparently they take him in. We do not really get to see them agreeing, but it is implied that he is in.
3. DHS is taking JT in for questioning and is confiscating all of his computers. Luckily, he wiped everything clean before they picked them up. At DHS he meets Heather who was also taken in for questioning. We do not see how they were questioned, but they are both out later and JT is ordering more computers to continue to help Vincent.
4. Heather is meeting with Kyle who is VERY insistent that she finally tells him what the big secret is. For once, Heather impresses me by deftly lying to Kyle. The look on his face puts him on my 'suspicious' list. THAT may be intentional by the writers and he may be just really concerned for Heather, but I am not sure about him.
5. I know that Tess is supposed to be 'the voice of reason', but I think she could have been a bit more supportive of Catherine and Vincent and JT. She is constantly reiterating how dangerous it is for Catherine to help Vincent - to the point where she paints a picture of Catherine maybe going to prison. Not a fan of Tess in this episode.
6. JT is always on Vincent's side, although he did have a hard time here when Vincent wanted certain drugs/medication from him to inject the tied up goon in order to get information about who put out the bounty on beasts. He grumbled a bit about Vincent 'crossing the line', but he got on board.
There were some VinCat moments, but due to this being more action packed and rather dark and dangerous, they were fewer than before, although quite intense.
Good episode.
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Post by BeastieBoy on Jul 11, 2016 3:03:21 GMT -5
This was another really great episode! One word can sum up this episode for me, SUSPENSE! I absolutely didn't know what Catherine might do until the very end. Oh and that ending, that's what VinCat is all about to me! I'm falling in love with BATB all over again. BATB has found its mojo in S4 and I'm lov'n it! I'm not sure, but I might even have liked this episode better than 406. My favorite this season so far is still 405, but this 407 episode and 406 are right up there as well.
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Post by BeastieBoy on Jul 11, 2016 4:05:11 GMT -5
Good episode - not as good as the two previous ones - but fun to watch and most importantly it moved the plot forward quite a bit. 1. As we suspected Catherine ratted out Vincent ONLY to prove her sincerity to want to continue to work for DHS and to help bring Vincent in alive. The twist is that Vincent was NOT in on the plan. She counted on him getting away and on him being able to tell by her heartbeat that she was not really giving him up. A bit complicated, but it worked - he trusted her and came back later to meet her in the dungeon. Love that the dungeon is back in play. 2. Vincent is becoming more pro-active in this episode and he has plans and ideas of his own. He is infiltrating a black ops organization named Graydal by luring out and taking out and interrogating one of their goons. Then he takes the unconscious goon back to Graydal headquarters and demands to see the boss. He offers his services to them and apparently they take him in. We do not really get to see them agreeing, but it is implied that he is in. 3. DHS is taking JT in for questioning and is confiscating all of his computers. Luckily, he wiped everything clean before they picked them up. At DHS he meets Heather who was also taken in for questioning. We do not see how they were questioned, but they are both out later and JT is ordering more computers to continue to help Vincent. 4. Heather is meeting with Kyle who is VERY insistent that she finally tells him what the big secret is. For once, Heather impresses me by deftly lying to Kyle. The look on his face puts him on my 'suspicious' list. THAT may be intentional by the writers and he may be just really concerned for Heather, but I am not sure about him. 5. I know that Tess is supposed to be 'the voice of reason', but I think she could have been a bit more supportive of Catherine and Vincent and JT. She is constantly reiterating how dangerous it is for Catherine to help Vincent - to the point where she paints a picture of Catherine maybe going to prison. Not a fan of Tess in this episode. 6. JT is always on Vincent's side, although he did have a hard time here when Vincent wanted certain drugs/medication from him to inject the tied up goon in order to get information about who put out the bounty on beasts. He grumbled a bit about Vincent 'crossing the line', but he got on board.There were some VinCat moments, but due to this being more action packed and rather dark and dangerous, they were fewer than before, although quite intense. Good episode. 1. I'm glad I stopped watching the CW's previews. It would have ruined what was the "big moment" in this episode for me. I really had no idea what Catherine was planning, what she might do and I thought she really did turn him in and that Vincent was very upset! 2 & 6. Vincent's gone kind of rogue in this ep. His behavior is worrying me, as it's worrying JT. The combination of not knowing what Cat might do to save Vincent and his darker behavior is what made this episode so intense and suspenseful. So for me, while the VinCat moments may have been less, they were full of angst and anxiety that got me emotionally hooked into the episode. 4. I'm suspicious of Kyle as well. But I'm also wondering if Heather might be trying to bait him, perhaps being instructed to do so by Vincent. While what she said isn't a flat out lie, it's not close to the truth either.
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Post by bbatb on Jul 11, 2016 4:20:00 GMT -5
Good for you BeastieBoy that you stayed away from spoilers. It is maybe strange to others, but even though I was really 'spoiled' I enjoyed it immensly, too. I did not KNOW for sure if Catherine was serious about 'throwing Vincent under the bus', I just did not want to EVER believe she would do that! And they did a very good job about that scene giving nothing away until later . So, it still had a lot of twists and turns and surpises for me.
I love this 'new' and confident Vincent! I am not worried about him at all. Actually, I think that the title 'Point Of No Return' might mean (among other things) that Vincent is doing things on his own without being in danger of beasting out at any given moment. Maybe they are trying to show us that he has come such a long way that he now has complete control over his beast and CAN go undercover - which CAN be very stressful - without giving his secret away. It would be a good lead-in into the rest of the season and towards the finale, where they will have their happily ever after with Vincent in full control and their NORMAL lives a real possibility on the horizon. Just watched it again and it gets better every time. This episode is Catherine-heavy and about HER emotions and fears and concerns and I am in awe of KK for portraying her so believable. Also, she looked absolutely gorgeous throughout the whole episode. That sleeveless body-fitting blue dress is simple elegance to the max and shows off her killer arms to perfection. Wearing her hair up in an elegant chignon made her look professional and vulnerable at the same time. Her eyes have never appeared so big and luminous. I think she is just marvelous!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2016 4:33:48 GMT -5
Good for you BeastieBoy that you stayed away from spoilers. It is maybe strange to others, but even though I was really 'spoiled' I enjoyed it immensly, too. I did not KNOW for sure if Catherine was serious about 'throwing Vincent under the bus', I just did not want to EVER believe she would do that! And they did a very good job about that scene giving nothing away until later . So, it still had a lot of twists and turns and surpises for me. I love this 'new' and confident Vincent! I am not worried about him at all. Actually, I think that the title 'Point Of No Return' might mean (among other things) that Vincent is doing things on his own without being in danger of beasting out at any given moment. Maybe they are trying to show us that he has come such a long way that he now has complete control over his beast and CAN go undercover - which CAN be very stressful - without giving his secret away. It would be a good lead-in into the rest of the season and towards the finale, where they will have their happily ever after with Vincent in full control and their NORMAL lives a real possibility on the horizon. Just watched it again and it gets better every time. This episode is Catherine-heavy and about HER emotions and fears and concerns and I am in awe of KK for portraying her so believable. Also, she looked absolutely gorgeous throughout the whole episode. That sleeveless body-fitting blue dress is simple elegance to the max and shows off her killer arms to perfection. Wearing her hair up in an elegant chignon made her look professional and vulnerable at the same time. Her eyes have never appeared so big and luminous. I think she is just marvelous!I think that they have tried for years to do the right thing: save innocents, stay away from exposure with all their forces, Cat covering for Vincent, all team covering for Vincent, Vincent always waiting for something bad to happen to them... In a certain way in S3 when Cat decided to go hunting the superhuman creator or Liam in order to be ahead of him instead than sitting down and wait for the moment to come was a precursor of what Vincent is doing now. Everything they have done, the way they behaved till this time... nothing was worth their freedom and their life is still in danger... so they decide to change the cards on the table, expecially Vincent that become active part in his destiny and in the destiny of all people around him (even if I think that at this point "destiny" is no longer the correct word). And yes I've notice that too about Cat/KK: she is always gorgeus but in the last season she seemed a little bit older and "off" even during the firts attempt marriage. in this episode even in a serious and professional suit or while upset or sad, she has a different light in her eyes
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Post by bbatb on Jul 11, 2016 4:43:29 GMT -5
Good for you BeastieBoy that you stayed away from spoilers. It is maybe strange to others, but even though I was really 'spoiled' I enjoyed it immensly, too. I did not KNOW for sure if Catherine was serious about 'throwing Vincent under the bus', I just did not want to EVER believe she would do that! And they did a very good job about that scene giving nothing away until later . So, it still had a lot of twists and turns and surpises for me. I love this 'new' and confident Vincent! I am not worried about him at all. Actually, I think that the title 'Point Of No Return' might mean (among other things) that Vincent is doing things on his own without being in danger of beasting out at any given moment. Maybe they are trying to show us that he has come such a long way that he now has complete control over his beast and CAN go undercover - which CAN be very stressful - without giving his secret away. It would be a good lead-in into the rest of the season and towards the finale, where they will have their happily ever after with Vincent in full control and their NORMAL lives a real possibility on the horizon. Just watched it again and it gets better every time. This episode is Catherine-heavy and about HER emotions and fears and concerns and I am in awe of KK for portraying her so believable. Also, she looked absolutely gorgeous throughout the whole episode. That sleeveless body-fitting blue dress is simple elegance to the max and shows off her killer arms to perfection. Wearing her hair up in an elegant chignon made her look professional and vulnerable at the same time. Her eyes have never appeared so big and luminous. I think she is just marvelous!I think that they have tried for years to do the right thing: save innocents, stay away from exposure with all their forces, Cat covering for Vincent, all team covering for Vincent, Vincent always waiting for something bad to happen to them... In a certain way in S3 when Cat decided to go hunting the superhuman creator or Liam in order to be ahead of him instead than sitting down and wait for the moment to come was a precursor of what Vincent is doing now. Everything they have done, the way they behaved till this time... nothing was worth their freedom and their life is still in danger... so they decide to change the cards on the table, expecially Vincent that become active part in his destiny and in the destiny of all people around him (even if I think that at this point "destiny" is no longer the correct word). And yes I've notice that too about Cat/KK: she is always gorgeus but in the last season she seemed a little bit older and "off" even during the firts attempt marriage. in this episode even in a serious and professional suit or while upset or sad, she has a different light in her eyes
I absolutely agree with you about S3 and KK surprisingly NOT always looking her best. Maybe it was the light, maybe she was tired or had a cold - it was the dead of winter most of the times - or something else, but she looked tired with rings around her eyes and worry lines around her mouth sometimes. Like you said: she is always one of the most beautiful women out there, but the way she looked in S3 sometimes was actually a bit worrysome. And NOW: what a transformation! She looks luminous and yes, there is a different sparke in her eyes and those eyes just draw you in. Yes, really liking S4 so far!
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Post by runner12batb on Jul 11, 2016 5:33:11 GMT -5
And yes I've notice that too about Cat/KK: she is always gorgeus but in the last season she seemed a little bit older and "off" even during the firts attempt marriage. in this episode even in a serious and professional suit or while upset or sad, she has a different light in her eyes I noticed too . She's a little too intense for me in S3. Maybe she don't enjoyed it or something has happened. . We don't know ... Just my opinion ...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2016 6:52:38 GMT -5
Ok Thank you very much to all of you because with your considerationa I was able to rewatch and give sense to some dialogues I've missed ... and I can say that this time the plot is way more complicated if confronted with the most of BATB episodes. So Hill wanted to take two pidgeons with one shot (we say that way): free himself from the problem Vincent and earn some money at the same time... I take my "innocent" word from previous post back :-) I haven't understood why Heather told Kyle that Vincent was working undercover for the DHS now: it's a lie and I don't think it came from H's mind, she is not that smart... maybe Cat gave her instructions so now Kyle will probably stop asking questions and she will be able to live her relationship... maybe if he is not one of the bad guys. Now they are alone, Tess and JT called them off the team, and maybe only Heather is in. Even Cat and Vincent stand on opposite sides so they have to trust each other even from distance. It is all a huge step forward for their relationship... the old Vincent would have follow Cat's plan, maybe with a little bit of arguing like in S3, but he would have done nothing on his own. I'm glad that he called out his "Condor" part and started doing what he thinks will be better for him, for them. Condor is always a plus :-)
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Post by betina05 on Jul 11, 2016 7:08:01 GMT -5
Can anyone tell why vincent was carrying cat in one of the promo pics?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2016 7:18:56 GMT -5
Can anyone tell why vincent was carrying cat in one of the promo pics? I have two theories: 1 - promo pics are messed up so are not all really related to episode in the title 2 - they shot different scenario or are deleted scenes
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Post by bbatb on Jul 11, 2016 7:31:05 GMT -5
@luna76. Actually, if I understood it correctly, Hill did NOT know who put out the bounty and HE only wanted Vincent dead to get rid of the problem of having to cover for a beast and risk his job and put his family in danger. He just happened to hire the same organization that was also hired by the other organization that wanted to get a beast caught alive.
So, both the assassins that Hill hired AND the beast hunters who were after Vincent for the bounty are working for Graydal. But Graydal does not know that the target they were supposed to eliminate for Hill was actually the very target that their other client wanted them to find. Otherwise, Vincent could NOT go undercover at Graydal Securities. THEY still do not know that HE is the beast their other client wants.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2016 7:32:32 GMT -5
One more hypothesis for that pic betina05 : when Vincent blurs and takes away Cat from her chair, he carries her to the rooftop... we don't actually see him carring Cat because of the blur effect, but J could have carried KK walking normally and then they fastforward the scene in post production
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