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Post by BeastieBoy on Jun 10, 2016 2:21:20 GMT -5
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Post by BeastieBoy on Jun 10, 2016 4:26:10 GMT -5
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Post by DayaBEASTS4 on Jun 10, 2016 9:28:59 GMT -5
I don't understand why lots of people feel like it is a filler episode... for me is eveything but that!! I think it was done to prepare the background for all characters future choices. The phrase "Move on with our lives" it is obviously a refrain for this season, evryone in thei shoes would want that too... the think is (and it is better clarify by JT) they need to understand what moving on means: go back for what they were looking for 15 years ago or what happend in their life setted other bars and inspiration in them? And the case of the week is no way similar to S1: even if that was not linked to beast hunter, it shows that for every reason Vincent's secret could be bring to light and in wrong hand that means a disaster... so the little help from DHS (that in fact leave them alone) is like a splash of fresh water in a burning forest. The only thing from S1 is that the case gave to Vincent a glympse of what could happen to him and his family if his secret will come out Ditto I think that too..
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Post by alwayscrazedbatbfan on Jun 10, 2016 12:43:26 GMT -5
Sometimes I wonder if I'm supposed to see what is on my screen as an inconsistency or not, or if it is just a particular writer's take.
With Vincent and his beast powers, you have S3 begin with Vincent saying he has gone 2 months without beasting out. Yet in this episode, a minor distraction has him blurring off without a second thought. His powers seemed much closer to the surface this episode, as we saw in the bedpan scene with Heather. Beasting out just naturally happens in this episode, which Cat takes note of.
Wasn't crazy about the return of the petty bickering in this episode. Especially since each party so quickly experiences a turnaround in opinion. (Like Tess complaining about having to be away from her duties as captain, yet loving being in the field.)
And the Bootsie thing--like make it obvious that this can't help but be VinCAt's future. Yes, they will be heroes, but they will inevitably have to go back into hiding. Because the only point to that Bootsie plotline has to be in the foreshadowing.
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Post by BeastieBoy on Jun 10, 2016 12:54:39 GMT -5
My random observations and thoughts for this episode:
- I think Kristin/Cat set a new record for making cute goofy facial expressions in this episode. There are so many, I can't even count them. I thought all were adorable.
- The Beast is on the verge of truly becoming a superhero, complete with trying to hide his secret identity. If the show weren't cancelled, I could easily see the Beast fitting in with the CW's DC multiverse/crossover TV universe. Oh but wait! There is a superhero called "Beast" already, but he's a member of Marvel's X-men. Wrong comic universe! LOL.
- The jogging scene was my favorite of the episode. They could do a whole episode of VinCat just trying to enjoy being newlyweds and I'd be fine with that. The scene reminded me of the 401 bike scene. I even thought when Vincent went into blur mode there was yet another person in danger that he needed to save.
- As an aside, Vincent isn't the only one with abs, Cat appears to have a nice set hiding under that tank top. Also, Jay looks like he's beefed up a little more than usual.
- Loved the ending VinCat scene too. It had yet another one of KK's cute funny faces. I wonder if they got that tackle move on the first take. I also had to laugh when I saw Liz's tweet on twitter. (Naughty girl)
- As I mentioned before, the Bootsy/DHS hacker story made no sense to me. The whole concept of that story line seemed ridiculous. It was the weakest part of the episode for me. But I did like the wink to the Kardashians. Anyway, even with the lame cop case, just having VinCat on my TV made up for it.
- I'm not enjoying JTnT. I didn't mind them before, but now, I just want to fast forward past their scenes.
- OTOH, I did enjoy having Cat and Tess back on a case again. And Tess in that outfit was crazy nuts (in a good way).
- I hope Kyle comes back. Felt to me like Heather didn't have much to do in this ep, other than talk about Kyle with the rest of the Scooby gang
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Post by alwayscrazedbatbfan on Jun 10, 2016 13:17:03 GMT -5
I get that there are "filler" episodes for a normal 22 episode season. But when you only have 13 episodes, why put in filler now? AND risk ticking off fans who have waited SO LONG for new BATB episodes.
And the idea and preoccupation that the parties have a "normal" life. To quote Lana Lang in one of Smallville's Season 7 episodes, "had I wanted a Normal Life, I wouldn't date a guy that shoots fire from his eyes!" Normal isn't possible. Bob Reynolds called it right when he said that SOMEONE will ALWAYS be after the beast. Accept this, discuss damage control and plans for the inevitable, and ENJOY THE MOMENT while you can. WHICH is what I would PREFER to see on my screen.
But there WAS a new point buried in 402--and that is the SCARY concept that someone could expose Vincent and the others to harm ENTIRELY by ACCIDENT. That they even have to prepare for the inherently UNPREPARABLE. And that DOES give you a chill. That is like looking for the sleeper cell terrorist plot or something COMPLETELY unexpected. And how does ANYONE of the group prepare for that?
So 402 HAS a reason to be there. And Bootsie COULD definitely be foreshadowing for VinCat.
And I DID love the jogging scene, more for what it says about VinCat then the actual scene---they WANT to do activities together. So rather than Vincent working out by himself, they jog together. And I LOVED Vincent being playful with Cat at the end. Like others, I felt the scene was cut off WAY too early.
Overall, I enjoyed the episode, recognizing that certain things are just going to be a certain way. IF they haven't changed it by now, they aren't going to. So live with the repetitive dialogue and try not to find it too annoying.
Still VERY grateful to have BATB on the air. So take my comments with that in mind. I still prefer something rather than nothing. BUT I thought the significant point of the episode could have been made other ways than this filler-ish type of episode.
But the preview makes it look like things are fixing to pick up, so. . . .
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Post by BeastieBoy on Jun 10, 2016 15:23:49 GMT -5
Sometimes I wonder if I'm supposed to see what is on my screen as an inconsistency or not, or if it is just a particular writer's take.
With Vincent and his beast powers, you have S3 begin with Vincent saying he has gone 2 months without beasting out. Yet in this episode, a minor distraction has him blurring off without a second thought. His powers seemed much closer to the surface this episode, as we saw in the bedpan scene with Heather. Beasting out just naturally happens in this episode, which Cat takes note of. Wasn't crazy about the return of the petty bickering in this episode. Especially since each party so quickly experiences a turnaround in opinion. (Like Tess complaining about having to be away from her duties as captain, yet loving being in the field.) And the Bootsie thing--like make it obvious that this can't help but be VinCAt's future. Yes, they will be heroes, but they will inevitably have to go back into hiding. Because the only point to that Bootsie plotline has to be in the foreshadowing. Vincent's beast powers have been very inconsistent going back to even S1. I just go with the flow and don't give it much thought anymore. However, since you brought it up, one way to look at it is he's been out of practice for 2 months. So now having to Beast out again in 401, he's not as in control as he was compared to the end of S3. When he wants to use it, he sometimes fails, as in his lack of being able to immediately track Catherine when the beast hunter abducted her in 401. Then there are times when he's not concentrating and starts to beast out when he doesn't mean to, such as the jogging scene and tongue stick bedpan throwing scene.
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Post by rose on Jun 10, 2016 16:46:49 GMT -5
Those were my thoughts exactly that superheroes are the in thing at the moment so why not have Vincent be a hero and Cat have some super fighting skills and I am already used to believe the unbelievable. Initially I was sceptical about the whole set up of a private citizen assisting the Gvt with witness protection and having access to that list from Homeland but then I remembered that this is a fantasy show and they do not need to play by real life rules. Maybe if it was a show like criminal minds were they try to mimick real life situations then I would raise eyebrows. Sometimes it's fun to just go with the unbelievable.
After reading more comments I think I agree that this did not feel like a filler episode to me as they have developed the theme of exposure a step further. We started the season with the ethical issue of weather or not Vincent should stand by and let harm come to people because he does not want to risk exposure. In this episode we had the fear of that exposure becoming a reality although it turned out to be a false alarm. They did however get to see first hand what exposure can do to them and the people close to them and hopefully they will be prepared when it eventually does happen.
I did miss Kyle in the episode and had hoped that he will be a series regular. I am not sure how I feel about Tess so far. I guess she is uptight because she is the captain. But then Vincent and JT also have serious jobs but they do manage to be easy going.
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Post by alwayscrazedbatbfan on Jun 10, 2016 17:17:50 GMT -5
And just throwing this out there --just WHY would JT and Tess want some small New York apartment at obscene prices when you have so much space and atmosphere with the Gentlemen's Club? What am I missing here? You can even throw great parties there, as seen in 212.
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Post by alwayscrazedbatbfan on Jun 10, 2016 17:41:05 GMT -5
One other thing of note:
To me, there was a subtle nod to EARLY S1 VinCat when you see VinCat scrapping over what Vincent's involvement would be in the case. As in early S1, Catherine wants to keep Vincent from getting exposed by keeping him as far from the case as possible. BUT like in the Judge's case from 103's "Proceed With Caution," Vincent inadvertently is involved in the case BECAUSE of who he is and what he can do.
In 103, Vincent is tailing Catherine (without her knowledge) to ensure her safety. So he sees her jogging on campus and meeting wthi JT. On his way home, he then notices Iris (or whatever her name was) on her way home. He later sees Cat arrest the woman and realizes that the woman couldn't have been involved in the murder, as he saw her walking home. So he alerts Cat, who must then investigate it HERSELF, knowing that they have the wrong person incarcerated for the crime. THEN, she has to bring Vincent in as a DOCTOR TO THE WITNESSES, which happens in 402, with Vincent being BOOTSIE'S DOCTOR, who was a "witness" to what was really going on.
So I LOVED that VinCat were STILL arguing over Vincent's involvement in the case and his questioning of a potential witness! Because Vincent just CAN'T not pursue something, especially when he is given an "in" by being Bootsie's doctor. And it ends up saving Bootsie's life, as it does for the little girls in 103.
There, as in this episode, Cat NEEDS to keep Vincent out, although here, it is to keep the Beast Hunters from identifying Vincent, while in 103 it was to protect Vincent from Muirfield. But either way, it is to KEEP Vincent hidden AND to keep the case CLEAN, without having to explain Vincent's intervention.
And realistically, this was an issue that NEVER was resolved in Season 1. Vincent and Catherine have ALWAYS had to deal with this on a case-by-case basis. And Cat rather enjoyed Vincent's "wanting to help again," and Vincent was clearly NOT happy with JUST being a doctor in this episode.
So I like that VinCat ACTUALLY enjoy working together AND work so well on cases. When they collaborate, they get the job DONE. When they spat with one another, you have 402 go WRONG, because had Vincent been with Cat at the club from the beginning, the whole Bootsie thing might have played differently. So you had some S3 elements, BUT without repeating the S3 ridiculous spatting--the kind where VinCat or quarrelling over OTHER reasons and not over the case-involvement elements.
Thus, I LOVED that VinCat CAN so easily still collaborate on cases, but still can't resolve the underlying problem of completely explaining Vincent being behind-the-scenes. I NEVER REGRET little nods to S1. And the fact that SOME ISSUES you just CAN'T resolve easily and just have to contend with moving forward.
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Post by alwayscrazedbatbfan on Jun 10, 2016 17:45:55 GMT -5
And liked Vincent having to "hide" Bootsie the way he had to "hide" the little girls from 103. And in BOTH occasions, he chooses JT as the Babysitter. You would THINK that Vincent (and JT) would have learned from this in the past---JT got hit over the head while "babysitting" Gabe's girlfriend at the end of S1, and the SAME happens here! JT apparently DIDN'T have problems with the little girls in 103 SOLELY because of their age! JT needs HELP babysitting in the future, when motivated women determined to escape are involved!
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Post by rose on Jun 10, 2016 18:00:10 GMT -5
Lol. I had totally forgotten that JT is the worst babysitter of all time. Starting in season 1 when Gabe's girlfriend hit him in the head and chained him to the radiator. The same thing happened in season 3 when that crazy woman scientist did the same thing on Vincat's wedding day and now Bootsie. At least he gets points for not being chained this time around. I wonder why he is still being asked to babysit given his trek record.
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Post by BeastieBoy on Jun 10, 2016 18:19:14 GMT -5
One other thing of note: To me, there was a subtle nod to EARLY S1 VinCat when you see VinCat scrapping over what Vincent's involvement would be in the case. As in early S1, Catherine wants to keep Vincent from getting exposed by keeping him as far from the case as possible. BUT like in the Judge's case from 103's "Proceed With Caution," Vincent inadvertently is involved in the case BECAUSE of who he is and what he can do. In 103, Vincent is tailing Catherine (without her knowledge) to ensure her safety. So he sees her jogging on campus and meeting wthi JT. On his way home, he then notices Iris (or whatever her name was) on her way home. He later sees Cat arrest the woman and realizes that the woman couldn't have been involved in the murder, as he saw her walking home. So he alerts Cat, who must then investigate it HERSELF, knowing that they have the wrong person incarcerated for the crime. THEN, she has to bring Vincent in as a DOCTOR TO THE WITNESSES, which happens in 402, with Vincent being BOOTSIE'S DOCTOR, who was a "witness" to what was really going on. So I LOVED that VinCat were STILL arguing over Vincent's involvement in the case and his questioning of a potential witness! Because Vincent just CAN'T not pursue something, especially when he is given an "in" by being Bootsie's doctor. And it ends up saving Bootsie's life, as it does for the little girls in 103. There, as in this episode, Cat NEEDS to keep Vincent out, although here, it is to keep the Beast Hunters from identifying Vincent, while in 103 it was to protect Vincent from Muirfield. But either way, it is to KEEP Vincent hidden AND to keep the case CLEAN, without having to explain Vincent's intervention. And realistically, this was an issue that NEVER was resolved in Season 1. Vincent and Catherine have ALWAYS had to deal with this on a case-by-case basis. And Cat rather enjoyed Vincent's "wanting to help again," and Vincent was clearly NOT happy with JUST being a doctor in this episode. So I like that VinCat ACTUALLY enjoy working together AND work so well on cases. When they collaborate, they get the job DONE. When they spat with one another, you have 402 go WRONG, because had Vincent been with Cat at the club from the beginning, the whole Bootsie thing might have played differently. So you had some S3 elements, BUT without repeating the S3 ridiculous spatting--the kind where VinCat or quarrelling over OTHER reasons and not over the case-involvement elements. Thus, I LOVED that VinCat CAN so easily still collaborate on cases, but still can't resolve the underlying problem of completely explaining Vincent being behind-the-scenes. I NEVER REGRET little nods to S1. And the fact that SOME ISSUES you just CAN'T resolve easily and just have to contend with moving forward. You brought up a point that I had been thinking about since the early episodes of S3 last year. Many weren't happy with the bickering in S3, saying it wasn't VinCat's nature. But in fact, they have often bickered in the past seasons, even in S1, 103 was a good example where they quarreled quite a bit. So it was in their nature to bicker from the very beginning. The problem was that S3 didn't balance out the bickering with enough of the emotional connection and epic passion that S1 had.
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Post by Jewels on Jun 10, 2016 23:54:24 GMT -5
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Post by pippin on Jun 13, 2016 18:53:19 GMT -5
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