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Post by Savana_ Dying for season3! on Nov 13, 2013 5:27:08 GMT -5
This rant was triggered by Katie's post and will be full of random thoughts. Thanks Katie, for finally making me write down all this. Do the vague "missions" and "list of beats" bore anyone else? I'm so tired of them talking about the list of beasts and these vague missions that Vincent HAS to do. He doesn't HAVE to do anything. I know, I know, he has issues and we should be worried. I can't wait til they get past the plot line (can it be called that??) of the beast list. If Vincent says missions again, i'm going to have Cat kick him in the face! Again. If this goes on all season... no I don't want to finish that thought. Why is Cat's bio-dad revelation so glossed over? She looks at a pic and bam! knows her father. Then the next ep BAM confrontation, coffee, explanation and all is well. WHUT. GIVE CATHERINE'S BACKSTORY THE ATTENTION IT DESERVES. I swear I'm going throw my computer on the ground if every single character keeps rallying around the beast/missions plot while bio dad is swept under the rug and JT isn't even in eps!!!!!!!! *takes deep calming breath<edited> That's like watching CSI and saying if there will be another homicide case in the next ep I'll stop watching the show. First season = Vincent hiding from Muirfield, trying to find a cure (none of it accomplished but lead us to the next storyline) Second season = Vincent reprogrammed to be a super soldier to hunt down beasts (we will see how this turns out) Third season = ? (I am not a writer so I have no clue) Fourth season = ? (yeah, it's possible) If someone wants to watch Vincent save people and fight crimes I suggest they switch channels and watch Spiderman or Superman or Ironman… This is a BEAST not a superhero. Catherine finding out who her bio dad is doesn't need a 10 episode arc (it's the same as Clark finding the spaceship, his dad telling him about him being an alien and that's it - that was one episode and they moved on) now that she knows it, they can build a story on how it will affect her life and relationships. Continuously questioning where all these beasts were in the first season? Well, they were not written in the story. This show is a different take on the old version and has nothing to do with it. Thank God I never watched it so I don't look for any parallels. Same goes for TVD. I've never watched one single episode of that show so I don't care if Vincent's heart ripping looks the same. Missing scenes where Vincent saves Catherine? In the first season that was the problem. Catherine is not a strong woman if the beast needs to save her all the time. You can't have it both ways. First half of the first season was about Catherine and Vincent bonding. Second half them fighting against the world together. This season Vincent and Catherine trying to regain Vincent's human side. Second half of the season? We don't know yet! But I want to find out as I have no idea what's gonna happen. Thank God it's not so obvious! Vincent does not have to do all these missions. He could sit in his boat house and watch tv. Sometimes Catherine comes over and they make out. That would be great! and BORING. Reynolds could tell Catherine the whole story of her past over a coffee one afternoon. And then what? End of the show. Or Catherine can be upset at her bio dad and so we see no interaction between them at all. Then what? No show. Gabe tells Catherine he has feelings for her. Catherine says sorry I don't. Tess is happy. End of the show. If everyone tells the truth and acts nicely there is no angst, drama and then there is no show. Always fearing new characters that are brought in the show? With the same characters there are NO new situations that can move the show forward. The episodes are fast paced? Thank God there are no long cheesy conversations trying to explain everything for the viewers. Vincent changed from a good person to a bad one? YES! He is a beast. Catherine fell in love with the good guy and that's why she keeps fighting for him and believes he can be that nice guy again. "Oh, Vincent killed someone I am not in love with him anymore." That's not how it works. No JT and Vincent moments in this season? Well, Vincent does not remember JT. How could they possibly spend time together? First we want Vincent to remember Catherine then there will be time for him to remember JT as well. We can't have everything told in one episode. Problem that Gabe was kept in the show? Well, that's a good thing as we continuously speculate what his purpose is. We still don't know if his intentions are good or bad. What's his relation with Reynolds? Reynolds might exactly know who Gabe is and has a plan with him. Episodes are lacking VinCat make out scenes? We had one and people already complained about it. We are waiting for the big moment just like we were looking for their first kiss in the first season. VinCat sex in every episode? Boring. This way we are always looking forward to the next ep wishing for sweet VinCat moments. AND we always get some! I am not saying the show is perfect but picking on everything they do is just frustrating. We want answers for every question in one episode because we think we won't get any more seasons. That is so wrong and totally determines our feelings towards the show. What if we would have two (or) more seasons? Would you be so worried all the time? Thanks for venting Nelly! I agree with everything you said so I guess you are right... we fear not getting a second season and we are also lack of patience! I also guess that having the feeling that audience is giving up because some of the things that attracted them don't appeal them anymore also make us more scared! It's true, if we had the absolute conviction of having a 3rd and 4th season, would we be so DESPERATE for getting back our lovely VinCat, JT, etc RIGHT NOW? Would we be critizise so much the lenght is taking to bring memories back, etc?? Probably not... It's true that we are not even consistent with some of our thoughts... we are never happy! we want VinCat together but when they make them together, we are not happy because it's too rush, we want Cat to know about his dad but then we critizise the way she learns about it and how fast they come to have a "friendly" relationship... I think you are one of those who don't look at spoilers thread... I think that is an advantage over those who does. Knowing bits and making up our own story in our minds don't help!!! Still, something is missing in this first episodes and the reality is that we don't know if we will have the chance to see this story develop in a 3rd or 4th season... If it depends on me, we will have them because I'm fighting and supporting the show with the same strenght and energy as always!!!
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Post by dan on Nov 13, 2013 5:32:23 GMT -5
"First season = Vincent hiding from Muirfield, trying to find a cure (none of it accomplished but lead us to the next storyline) Second season = Vincent reprogrammed to be a super soldier to hunt down beasts (we will see how this turns out)"
This! i`m so tired that every season is always centered around Vincent! The show is called Beauty (Cat first) and then the Beast (Vincent) Not The beast and more beast!
Vincent`s amnesia and boring mission arc is going to take up the focus for 10 episodes and probably even more so i don`t see why Cat`s backstory have to be rushed,it`s like they were trying to rushed up her storyline so they can have more space to focus on Vincent! One short episode (Reunion, who wasn`t even Cat centric but it was Vincent centric) cat found out so fast and so easy abt her her biological Dad Next episode (which again was mostly Vincent centric), they were bonding so quick it made your head spin!
I`d be more satisfied if they can balance:one ep is cat centered and the next is Vincent centric and keep go on in that order but that didn`t happen. Hothead was so Vincent focused,Reunion should be cat`s turn but it was back being vincent centic again,father knows best had more vincent`s mission arc going on, next week it looks like going to be abt Vincent being the target hence another vincent focused episode again! 6 episodes in and we can`t even have one truly Cat centric episode! it really Doesn`t feel like she`s the show`s lead.
This is the Vincent show. Supporting Cast: Catherine Chandler, and the rest!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2013 5:34:12 GMT -5
Loved your rant Nelly! I guess you are right when you mention us fearing that we won't get another season is making us desperate for scenes that resemble S1 VinCat. We are afraid that we will run out of time before we get to see those amazing and romantic scenes again
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Post by Savana_ Dying for season3! on Nov 13, 2013 5:40:41 GMT -5
"First season = Vincent hiding from Muirfield, trying to find a cure (none of it accomplished but lead us to the next storyline) Second season = Vincent reprogrammed to be a super soldier to hunt down beasts (we will see how this turns out)" This! i`m so tired that every season is always centered around Vincent! The show is called Beauty (Cat first) and then the Beast (Vincent) Not The beast and more beast! quote] I think the name of the show doesn't mean that Beauty has more importance (or is the main character) than Beast (a.k.a. a supporting role). If you think about 80's series, walt disney movie, etc... again most of the story surrounds the Beast because that's what out of the picture in the story, besides their epic love, of course! But I agree that a few more Cat-centric episodes would be nice, and it seems they are coming! not as fast as you wish but they are coming... I think our new mantra this season should be PATIENCE!!! "ommmmmm"
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Post by dan on Nov 13, 2013 5:43:48 GMT -5
"I think the name of the show doesn't mean that Beauty has more importance (or is the main character) than Beast (a.k.a. a supporting role)'
I at least want it to be equal Lois and Clark were mostly abt Lois Romeo and Juliet mostly on Romeo.
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Post by bookworm on Nov 13, 2013 6:01:57 GMT -5
Loved your rant Nelly! I guess you are right when you mention us fearing that we won't get another season is making us desperate for scenes that resemble S1 VinCat. We are afraid that we will run out of time before we get to see those amazing and romantic scenes again I think this is the problem! We create a lot of negativity with our feelings and thoughts and all we do is complain! Which is a negative thought again. I'm sure you all heard about how the law of attraction works so think about it! Let's change our attitude!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2013 6:18:56 GMT -5
Loved your rant Nelly! I guess you are right when you mention us fearing that we won't get another season is making us desperate for scenes that resemble S1 VinCat. We are afraid that we will run out of time before we get to see those amazing and romantic scenes again I think this is the problem! We create a lot of negativity with our feelings and thoughts and all we do is complain! Which is a negative thought again. I'm sure you all heard about how the law of attraction works so think about it! Let's change our attitude! You know what's funny? We are complaining about season 2 now and constantly talking about how season 1 was better, and yet if we go back to the season 1 episode threads there was LOTS of complaining too!! Some wanted VinCat to get together and yet when they did, people complained how it was rushed and too soon Maybe that's why I enjoyed the Alex arc. It gave me some of my 'achingly romantic VinCat' scenes that I soooo was craving! That scene at the end of Seeing Red is one of my FAVOURITE VinCat scenes! And there was no tongue or sweat involved
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2013 6:20:34 GMT -5
Just to clarify something from my previous post, NOT THAT I'M COMPLAINING IF WE ALWAYS GET TONGUE AND SWEAT!!
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Post by SpydancerLovesVincat on Nov 13, 2013 6:23:49 GMT -5
Okay, so lots of complaints about missing JT - I concur… Here is another viewpoint. Maybe JT will be key when whatever is happening with Vincent - the ultra aggressive beast who ripped out the heart of the Wardrobe - happens again. I mean we know that JT of season 1 was always trying to figure out Vincent's mutations (etc)… I am optimistic that we are building to our Vincent JT time and JT will be key in figuring things out when something is going on with Vincent. We saw in Reunion that Vincent was talking to JT about what happened all those years ago - "the Bro Code" - so it stands to reason that Vincent is beginning to trust JT as a friend again… Right now, I feel like he bee-lines to Catherine when he wants to talk or has a memory, but when something is wrong with "Beast-Vincent" I feel like JT is going to be all over that business. It's just a theory, not based on any spoilers.
In any event, over the last 10 years, JT is the best friend. He will be there when something is wrong. We just have to wait for it. Just my humble opinion.
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Post by bookworm on Nov 13, 2013 6:42:04 GMT -5
I'd like to add this to my previous post. This fandom is doing a great job in fighting for our show! A lot of forum members literally spend every spare minute they have to vote, tweet etc. I respect those people and I think they know that we won't help our show unless we all work together and think positive! No fear of this or that.... just believe, have faith and love for the show. This should be the base from which we can build.
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Post by anapi -season3baby :) on Nov 13, 2013 6:42:19 GMT -5
This rant was triggered by Katie's post and will be full of random thoughts. Thanks Katie, for finally making me write down all this. Do the vague "missions" and "list of beats" bore anyone else? I'm so tired of them talking about the list of beasts and these vague missions that Vincent HAS to do. He doesn't HAVE to do anything. I know, I know, he has issues and we should be worried. I can't wait til they get past the plot line (can it be called that??) of the beast list. If Vincent says missions again, i'm going to have Cat kick him in the face! Again. If this goes on all season... no I don't want to finish that thought. Why is Cat's bio-dad revelation so glossed over? She looks at a pic and bam! knows her father. Then the next ep BAM confrontation, coffee, explanation and all is well. WHUT. GIVE CATHERINE'S BACKSTORY THE ATTENTION IT DESERVES. I swear I'm going throw my computer on the ground if every single character keeps rallying around the beast/missions plot while bio dad is swept under the rug and JT isn't even in eps!!!!!!!! *takes deep calming breath<edited> That's like watching CSI and saying if there will be another homicide case in the next ep I'll stop watching the show. First season = Vincent hiding from Muirfield, trying to find a cure (none of it accomplished but lead us to the next storyline) Second season = Vincent reprogrammed to be a super soldier to hunt down beasts (we will see how this turns out) Third season = ? (I am not a writer so I have no clue) Fourth season = ? (yeah, it's possible) If someone wants to watch Vincent save people and fight crimes I suggest they switch channels and watch Spiderman or Superman or Ironman… This is a BEAST not a superhero. Catherine finding out who her bio dad is doesn't need a 10 episode arc (it's the same as Clark finding the spaceship, his dad telling him about him being an alien and that's it - that was one episode and they moved on) now that she knows it, they can build a story on how it will affect her life and relationships. Continuously questioning where all these beasts were in the first season? Well, they were not written in the story. This show is a different take on the old version and has nothing to do with it. Thank God I never watched it so I don't look for any parallels. Same goes for TVD. I've never watched one single episode of that show so I don't care if Vincent's heart ripping looks the same. Missing scenes where Vincent saves Catherine? In the first season that was the problem. Catherine is not a strong woman if the beast needs to save her all the time. You can't have it both ways. First half of the first season was about Catherine and Vincent bonding. Second half them fighting against the world together. This season Vincent and Catherine trying to regain Vincent's human side. Second half of the season? We don't know yet! But I want to find out as I have no idea what's gonna happen. Thank God it's not so obvious! Vincent does not have to do all these missions. He could sit in his boat house and watch tv. Sometimes Catherine comes over and they make out. That would be great! and BORING. Reynolds could tell Catherine the whole story of her past over a coffee one afternoon. And then what? End of the show. Or Catherine can be upset at her bio dad and so we see no interaction between them at all. Then what? No show. Gabe tells Catherine he has feelings for her. Catherine says sorry I don't. Tess is happy. End of the show. If everyone tells the truth and acts nicely there is no angst, drama and then there is no show. Always fearing new characters that are brought in the show? With the same characters there are NO new situations that can move the show forward. The episodes are fast paced? Thank God there are no long cheesy conversations trying to explain everything for the viewers. Vincent changed from a good person to a bad one? YES! He is a beast. Catherine fell in love with the good guy and that's why she keeps fighting for him and believes he can be that nice guy again. "Oh, Vincent killed someone I am not in love with him anymore." That's not how it works. No JT and Vincent moments in this season? Well, Vincent does not remember JT. How could they possibly spend time together? First we want Vincent to remember Catherine then there will be time for him to remember JT as well. We can't have everything told in one episode. Problem that Gabe was kept in the show? Well, that's a good thing as we continuously speculate what his purpose is. We still don't know if his intentions are good or bad. What's his relation with Reynolds? Reynolds might exactly know who Gabe is and has a plan with him. Episodes are lacking VinCat make out scenes? We had one and people already complained about it. We are waiting for the big moment just like we were looking for their first kiss in the first season. VinCat sex in every episode? Boring. This way we are always looking forward to the next ep wishing for sweet VinCat moments. AND we always get some! I am not saying the show is perfect but picking on everything they do is just frustrating. We want answers for every question in one episode because we think we won't get any more seasons. That is so wrong and totally determines our feelings towards the show. What if we would have two (or) more seasons? Would you be so worried all the time? Nelly, I don't think I agree with some of your points, which is good, now THAT would be boring - Beast missions do bore me somewhat now - not individually but now that we have reached episode 6 and all the beast missions are very very similar in terms of how they play out, yes sorry i am a bit bored. they could ahve been played out more intelligently in my opinion. I have not watched CSI but I have watched other crime shows and they are played out much better. all i am saying here the beast missions are losing their momentum - having said that, I don't think we will have many more of them in the second arc. the direction should and will change - Regarding Vincent, I do not want to watch him save people and fight crimes necessarily, I had not even thought about that actually at all. As you say, this is a beast we are dealing with but I think it is very confusing to the viewer at the moment because we do not really know what he is. IS he a beast more or IS he human more, if u know what I mean. We just don't know. I do not mind how it has been played out up till now - Vincent is a confused person or/and beast at the moment, and that is fine - i dont think anybody here said we need many episodes for Cat to find out who her dad is. I (and i believe others) found it odd though that it played out the way it played out, it was weak in my opinion. They should have allowed a bit more time for their relationship to develop the way it is, she just found out about him and next week she is taking her beast boyfriend for thanksgiving dinner with her new dad?? and they are already so cosy? That was just a minor point I made by the way, I won't focus on that, since really it is not THAT important. as u say, they need to move on with the story -did many people ask where the beasts were in season 1? I didnt read many such posts. yes they were not written in the story, u are absolutely right. but that is what happens when they start writing about a show and they only have one season in mind. u get to the second season and you have to come up with new ideas which have not at all been hinted at in season 1. that is not ideal, but that's what it is - Vincent does not have to do all this missions. Yes, he actually doesnt, he could be doing many other things, including making out with Catherine if he wanted to. I think what was meant by that comment, is that the person making it (and I as well) am not convinced as to why vincent is doing these missions, is he forced by Reynolds? Not really. until now Reynolds has been portrayed as a softie and Vincent completely decides as to how to execute the killings. I am not sure it has been explained adequately why he feels so compelled to complete the missions, it is a bit odd, especially with him getting his "humanity" back - but again i amnot bothered about that either -my understanding is u are saying things need to be happening for the show to not be boring. i agree. however, in this case too many things are happening way too fast which means that they are not done properly in my opinion. it ends up making the show a worse show that it could be, it confuses people, it does not allwo for adequate character and plot development, it is less relatable, it is ultmately less engaging and more generic IMO -No JT in this season to me is a mistake, he si the heart and soul. the fact that he does not remember him is irrelevant, vincent did not remember catherine either, should she feature later in the season. j.t. is a great addition and i think too much airtime has been given to gabe and tess together and individualy, but not meaningful time. it s essentailly a repetition of the same scene in eveyr single episode, now that is boring. i am not saying they should not be there but they should be utilised better - i personally never have an issue with lack of makeout scenes, not at all. what i do not see though is this connection, this chemistry thatu should always have with them two whether they are together or apart, in good or bad terms etc. something is off and the fact that i do not go back to rewatch a vincat scene50 times says something. they are the core of the show and that special connection should always be there whatever their circumstances or status, together or not - i do not want answers toevery question and i do not comment based on the fact that we may not have another season, i am commenting based on howi want this season to be i like things some things they have introduced and i liked the first four episodes, but i fear they are forgetting what works best for the show, and are weak on character development , a bit too fast paced and introducing too many things and weak on the vincat connection (and as i said above that does not mean them making out or being together, completely differnt). oh and i dont think it is all doom and gloom at all, the next few episodes may be absolutely amazing, and the writer may know exaclty what they are doing and we may be extemely happy about absolutely everything. but people here comment on their general feelign about the show or an individual episode and obviously if the majority were not ecstatic about two episodes in a row or the vincat connection this sesaon, these feelings will be expressed in the forum and that is normal.
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Post by bbat on Nov 13, 2013 7:17:39 GMT -5
This is a reply to Nellys post from before: It may seem that some are only spreading negativity, but that’s certainly not my intention. I still love the show and can live with a lot of the season 2 changes, and I will wait how the story plays out. But I’m criticizing some things that the show could do better; and that they unnecessarily changed things that worked well in season 1. Judging by the comments on this board, more and more viewers seem to get annoyed by this, and there's a difference between negativity and constructive criticism, as I see it. In fact, these are the only 4 points you mentioned I don’t agree: “Vincent does not have to do all these missions. He could sit in his boat house and watch tv. Sometimes Catherine comes over and they make out. That would be great! and BORING.” I don’t criticize the missions per se, I justwished the cases would have been more diverse and not so formulaic every week. They could have done so much more with the “beasts of the week” "No JT andVincent moments in this season? Well, Vincent does not remember JT. How could they possibly spend time together? First we want Vincent to remember Catherine then there will be time for him to remember JT as well. We can't have everything told in one episode." It has nothing to do with Vincent not remembering JT. The missions could have given the writers a possibility to integrate JT in the storylines( in fact, he did work with them on the cases, but always offscreen! (“ I let JT searching for this and that, JT left me his notes, ..” ) And V and JT DID spent time together (who told V about Alex?), but they didn’t show it to us. “Problem that Gabe was kept in the show? Well, that's a good thing as we continuously speculate what his purpose is. We still don't know if his intentions are good or bad. What's his relation with Reynolds? Reynolds might exactly know who Gabe is and has a plan with him.” Again, the problem is not that Gabe is in the show at all, the problem is that he is getting way to much screentime and his endless scenes with Tess are very repetitive and boring. Admit it, season 1 Gabe was interesting, season 2 Gabe is just plain boring! (so far, I’m not saying it can’t change in the future) " Episodes are lacking VinCat make out scenes? We had one and people already complained about it. We are waiting for the big moment just like we were looking for their first kiss in the first season. VinCat sex in every episode? Boring. This way we are always looking forward to the next ep wishing for sweet VinCat moments. AND we always get some!" No one is talking about make out scenes and VinCat sex. We’re talking about the strange lacking of chemistry in many scenes. Yes, we’re getting Vincat moments eyery episode, but it sometimes feels like the writers are only tossing those in as "check off the box" moments (like Elzabeth D called them). There have been exceptions, like the ”don’t worry “ kiss in ep 4, or the chair pull scene in ep 2- that’s the way to do it! It’ s about showing the fans that despite all the obstacles and the impossible situation they are in, the “pull” is still there. Strangely I can see it more from Vincent, although he doesn’t remember their common history. Cat on the other hand seemed to have done a 180 degree turn. At the end of ep 5 I kept asking myself, does she even love him anymore? (again, it’s not the story itself, of course Cat needed some distance after the events in ep 2, it’ s about how the emotions are displayed by the characters. (I hope you can understand what I mean, its always hard for me to express what I want to say in a foreign language ) Other than that I can agree with all the rest of your comment! (And BATB is still my favorite show! )
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Post by feezya on Nov 13, 2013 7:50:41 GMT -5
This is a reply to Nellys post from before: It may seem that some are only spreading negativity, but that’s certainly not my intention. I still love the show and can live with a lot of the season 2 changes, and I will wait how the story plays out. But I’m criticizing some things that the show could do better; and that they unnecessarily changed things that worked well in season 1. Judging by the comments on this board, more and more viewers seem to get annoyed by this, and there's a difference between negativity and constructive criticism, as I see it. In fact, these are the only 4 points you mentioned I don’t agree: “Vincent does not have to do all these missions. He could sit in his boat house and watch tv. Sometimes Catherine comes over and they make out. That would be great! and BORING.” I don’t criticize the missions per se, I justwished the cases would have been more diverse and not so formulaic every week. They could have done so much more with the “beasts of the week” "No JT andVincent moments in this season? Well, Vincent does not remember JT. How could they possibly spend time together? First we want Vincent to remember Catherine then there will be time for him to remember JT as well. We can't have everything told in one episode." It has nothing to do with Vincent not remembering JT. The missions could have given the writers a possibility to integrate JT in the storylines( in fact, he did work with them on the cases, but always offscreen! (“ I let JT searching for this and that, JT left me his notes, ..” ) And V and JT DID spent time together (who told V about Alex?), but they didn’t show it to us. “Problem that Gabe was kept in the show? Well, that's a good thing as we continuously speculate what his purpose is. We still don't know if his intentions are good or bad. What's his relation with Reynolds? Reynolds might exactly know who Gabe is and has a plan with him.” Again, the problem is not that Gabe is in the show at all, the problem is that he is getting way to much screentime and his endless scenes with Tess are very repetitive and boring. Admit it, season 1 Gabe was interesting, season 2 Gabe is just plain boring! (so far, I’m not saying it can’t change in the future) " Episodes are lacking VinCat make out scenes? We had one and people already complained about it. We are waiting for the big moment just like we were looking for their first kiss in the first season. VinCat sex in every episode? Boring. This way we are always looking forward to the next ep wishing for sweet VinCat moments. AND we always get some!" No one is talking about make out scenes and VinCat sex. We’re talking about the strange lacking of chemistry in many scenes. Yes, we’re getting Vincat moments eyery episode, but it sometimes feels like the writers are only tossing those in as "check off the box" moments (like Elzabeth D called them). There have been exceptions, like the ”don’t worry “ kiss in ep 4, or the chair pull scene in ep 2- that’s the way to do it! It’ s about showing the fans that despite all the obstacles and the impossible situation they are in, the “pull” is still there. Strangely I can see it more from Vincent, although he doesn’t remember their common history. Cat on the other hand seemed to have done a 180 degree turn. At the end of ep 5 I kept asking myself, does she even love him anymore? (again, it’s not the story itself, of course Cat needed some distance after the events in ep 2, it’ s about how the emotions are displayed by the characters. (I hope you can understand what I mean, its always hard for me to express what I want to say in a foreign language ) Other than that I can agree with all the rest of your comment! (And BATB is still my favorite show! ) aaaaahhh.... it's like you read my mind. thank you for putting it down nicely, i'm never good with words Edit : Oh, and i have to include the reunion kiss. I could see and feel Vincent's guilt and pain all over his face. The tongue is just an added bonus
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Post by Windflwr on Nov 13, 2013 8:26:15 GMT -5
This is a response to Nelly's post w/o quoting it. Nelly, I don't think it is about negativity. It is about fans who absolutely LOVE this show who are desperately worried about it. Patience is a virtue, yes, but with a show that is constantly on the "death list" I don't think the writers can afford to do things that constantly ask for our patience. They need to be doing everything they can to not only gain new viewers but keep the ones they have! Judging from the amount of complaints about this season (there will always be some, I know), I would say they've made some concern-worthy mistakes, especially with regard to Vincent's character. Maybe this is all going to work out (although how'd that work out after the Alex arc, huh?), but I'm not sure anymore. I don't need to see VinCat make-out scenes every ep (in fact, I LOVED Liar, Liar!), but to totally change the personality of one of the main characters was very risky. I don't feel the connection, and the connection is what this show was all about, no matter if it was a procedural or not. This is one of the few places we can say how we feel out loud to others who care, but we say it with the hope of all hopes that things will get better! I don't want to go back to season 1; I just want a season 2 that gives me something (and someone) worth fighting for. Hope that makes sense. Not complaining for the sake of complaining. Venting because we're hurting...
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Post by yfaruqi on Nov 13, 2013 10:22:51 GMT -5
So who do you guys think Daddy/Agent Reynolds meant when he said to Catherine ..' .... hope you won't make the same mistake your mother did & fall in love with a lost cause like your mother did'?. Did he mean himself...like Catherine's mother fell in love with him and he was a lost cause or was it her adoptive Dad? I think he meant himself, FBI'Bob seems to be a goal-orientated workaholic. Yes I think you are right although there might be more to it than just being a workaholic. We really don't know much about him at this time other than he supposedly cares for Cat, killed Gabe's girlfriend, captured and changed Vincent and is hunting all beasts Also he returned to the country (supposedly after a long time) which prompted Cat's real father to convey something to her which got him killed. Yet he was present at Cat's graduation so whatever prompted him to leave the country must have happened after that and maybe had something to do with Vanessa's murder. Also Tess knew something about what he wanted to convey to Cat but apparently she forgot about it and never said anything to Cat. Hopefully we will get some answers on that soon. I don't need to know everything all at once just would like to know more about his motivations and reasons behind what he is doing...
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