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Post by beastiegirl.happy.puppy on Feb 23, 2014 1:12:14 GMT -5
Okay...fine....since you are twisting my arm, I will watch yet another shirtless Vincent scene just for YOU. Oh the pain!! Oh the torture!!! Oh, what we poor Beasties have to go through!! Be Strong, Beasties, be strong!!! We will survive!!
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Post by beastiegirl.happy.puppy on Feb 23, 2014 1:23:48 GMT -5
You know I AM a team player. My son has a soccer game so I won't be able to perform my duties as flag bearer during the closing Olympic Ceremonies. I can, however, rewatch any shirtless scenes that are requested of me on my IPhone during my son's game. Emergency Standby??!! You are a Saint!!!
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Post by beastiegirl.happy.puppy on Feb 23, 2014 1:33:12 GMT -5
Thank you for confirming it ! It's on "his" left side, ok I said "right side" for us when we look at him. Anyway, it's a scar and not one from the bullett in ep 9-S02...... The team of experts, Kat and Yolie, have confirmed that the scar can be seen in the first dream. I have witnessed the sighting, and it is in a similar spot to the scar in Insatiable except smaller. OK, you are a credible witness! Please ask them to find the exit wound on his back as I can't see that on his gorgeous flawless back. Even though exit wounds are usually bigger! And Poor Dear was blooding buckets out the back!
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Post by anapi -season3baby :) on Feb 23, 2014 1:34:04 GMT -5
I'm not Catherine Chandler, but here is my theory. All outward scars were removed as part of the brainwash. Therefore, until Vincent was shot, he was scarless. Are you absolutely sure, @socmom? I vote for a complete and thorough physical examination before we rule that the only scar on his entire body is from the most recent bullet wound. This procedure will require several pairs of eyes and hands...you are all welcome to join me! LOL # lol yes count me in
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Post by beastiegirl.happy.puppy on Feb 23, 2014 1:43:02 GMT -5
This scar seems to appear and disappear.... What a mystery ! Because sometimes you can't see it in other shirtless scenes, and believe me, I'm not obsessed by this, it's just that I noticed it. Who is going to solve the scar mystery ? .....Call Catherine Chandler... I'm not Catherine Chandler, but here is my theory. All outward scars were removed as part of the brainwash. Therefore, until Vincent was shot, he was scarless. You guys can't imagine how much self control I had to exercise not to write the first thing that popped into my mind when I read this post!!
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Post by beastiegirl.happy.puppy on Feb 23, 2014 1:50:44 GMT -5
Girls you can count on me too but I don't need magnifying glass I have very sharp eyes and the examination is done by palpate so I will use my hands to find these scars (oh and no rubber gloves) Like a blind woman reading Braille.....even better. I was going to say "Touchie, Feelie" but you win!! I bow down to the Master!!
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Post by katiebeast S3 <3 on Feb 23, 2014 2:26:20 GMT -5
Are you absolutely sure, @socmom? I vote for a complete and thorough physical examination before we rule that the only scar on his entire body is from the most recent bullet wound. This procedure will require several pairs of eyes and hands...you are all welcome to join me! LOL # lol yes count me in *sigh* All right, I will sacrifice myself for the greater good. Just note that I was more or less forced to put my hands on him, so any and all unwanted actions following this, are beyond my control.
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Post by MyBatB on Feb 23, 2014 3:04:17 GMT -5
But back to the dreams - Perhaps it means that Catherine is not able to truly deal with some of the consequences of the shooting just yet? I think she was justified to shoot him to some degree, but that shot definitely had some major impact on her, V, and their relationship. She might have convinced herself that she has moved forward from it, but I don't think she has fully forgiven herself or V for causing that damage to themselves. She is still swimming in denial & a whole bunch of other negative emotions or haze. So I think the writers were trying to show us the difference between where V is and where C is on their journey back to each other. I hate to interrupt this "shirtless Vincent" discussion but I'd like to say I agree with this point. Much damage has been done to Catherine this season and she has a way to go before she could sort out her feelings for Vincent. We have to let her take that journey. I have no desire to see her with Gabe right now but I think she finds him safe and caring and that's what she needed. At least that's the only way I can account for her actions. As for Gabe, I think some of you are being unfair to him. The writers may spring a surprise on us and return the Season One Gabe but right now, all the evidence we are given is that he is a decent guy now. And as for Vincent, he is making his journey back to the human-side. A few episodes back I was wondering if Vincent could possibly be redeemed by any plausable story line. He was murdering anybody who got in his way. This was a long way from the Dr. Keller of Season One. But it is becoming clear how Tori pulled him to the beast-side. I haven't read anyone posting about this particular point but remember what Vincent said to Tori in their brief "breaking-up" conversation. Something like: being around you has clouded my mind - I couldn't think.Just as Vincent was about to get over the influence of Reynolds, Tori comes along to completely cloud his mind. In "Held Hostage", the further Vincent gets from Tori inside the precinct, the more the caring Vincent is back. Now in this episode Dr. Keller is back again and he realizes what a mistake he made with Cat. But Catherine has her own healing path to walk. None of this may be clear to her yet. "Something like: being around you has clouded my mind - I couldn't think."
I noticed that too, you're totally right and I agree with you. These words were a big part of the real beginning of his path to redemption IMO. Vincent said : "When we're together, there's something about your power that....it doesn't just amplify mine, ok, it affects everything. The way I think, the way I feel...."And I agree with the rest of your post.
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Post by Bill the beast on Feb 23, 2014 4:46:52 GMT -5
I was only kidding those of you who were discussing the "shirtless Vincent". No problem. I got a group of my relatives to watch Season One tonight and we watched 7 episodes until it got too late. We'll pick it up tomorrow because I know they're all hooked. But when we came to the greatest of all shirtless scenes where Vincent jumps down from doing insane pullups and all of his abs muscles have muscles on top of them - I said to the ladies present: he really is a hunk, isn't he?
They all said: "Quiet, we're concentrating!"
But seriously folks ... I appreciated all comments to my "Tori clouded my mind" theory - even those who disagreed. The best argument against it is the "show me, don't just tell me" view. That's an absolutely valid principle and may be why so many of us are baffled about the course and especially the speed of Cat's romance with Gabe.
However, it works in my favor about Gabe. After he died and Catherine shocked his human side back to life (you have to buy that idea of course), he has been nothing but a good man. That's what he showed us and that's what he showed her. It is a separate issue to wonder why she is already sleeping with him now. After all, it took 14 episodes to even kiss Vincent.
And as for Vincent: he did show us the effects of amnesia. Then he did show us "Tori-confusion". Now he is showing us the effects of Tori being gone. And he is telling us what he cannot show us: his realization that this was happening to him. And even though he didn't choose this, like Season One Vincent, he takes responsibility for everything wrong around him. Just further evidence that Dr. Keller has returned to us. The final piece of evidence is that he doesn't feel worthy of Catherine - again.
But listen, don't be so judgmental with my Catherine, OK? She may be making a mistake but that's all it is. This is Catherine! She has a good heart and it was broken by Vincent (possibly through no fault of his). Remember the scenes with the police psychiatrist? Sorting out her feelings is not always something she is good at (unlike the rest of us, right?)
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Post by MyBatB on Feb 23, 2014 6:20:05 GMT -5
I was only kidding those of you who were discussing the "shirtless Vincent". No problem. I got a group of my relatives to watch Season One tonight and we watched 7 episodes until it got too late. We'll pick it up tomorrow because I know they're all hooked. But when we came to the greatest of all shirtless scenes where Vincent jumps down from doing insane pullups and all of his abs muscles have muscles on top of them - I said to the ladies present: he really is a hunk, isn't he? They all said: "Quiet, we're concentrating!" But seriously folks ... I appreciated all comments to my "Tori clouded my mind" theory - even those who disagreed. The best argument against it is the "show me, don't just tell me" view. That's an absolutely valid principle and may be why so many of us are baffled about the course and especially the speed of Cat's romance with Gabe. However, it works in my favor about Gabe. After he died and Catherine shocked his human side back to life (you have to buy that idea of course), he has been nothing but a good man. That's what he showed us and that's what he showed her. It is a separate issue to wonder why she is already sleeping with him now. After all, it took 14 episodes to even kiss Vincent. And as for Vincent: he did show us the effects of amnesia. Then he did show us "Tori-confusion". Now he is showing us the effects of Tori being gone. And he is telling us what he cannot show us: his realization that this was happening to him. And even though he didn't choose this, like Season One Vincent, he takes responsibility for everything wrong around him. Just further evidence that Dr. Keller has returned to us. The final piece of evidence is that he doesn't feel worthy of Catherine - again. But listen, don't be so judgmental with my Catherine, OK? She may be making a mistake but that's all it is. This is Catherine! She has a good heart and it was broken by Vincent (possibly through no fault of his). Remember the scenes with the police psychiatrist? Sorting out her feelings is not always something she is good at (unlike the rest of us, right?) I agree with ALL you said. That's exactly what I see in the show from the beginning, how I feel about Catherine and Vincent's behaviours and so on. I think I quite developed that point of view in my comments (no self-applause intended here); like you, I used the "show us/tell us", it is definitely a good way to understand all that went on since the beginning of S02. Telling is one thing, showing is another. But it's good to see other theories, they help us to reinforce - or change - our POV. Sorry but English being not my language, sometimes it's difficult to express the exact things that I want to say ! I hope I did !
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2014 10:07:11 GMT -5
I was only kidding those of you who were discussing the "shirtless Vincent". No problem. I got a group of my relatives to watch Season One tonight and we watched 7 episodes until it got too late. We'll pick it up tomorrow because I know they're all hooked. But when we came to the greatest of all shirtless scenes where Vincent jumps down from doing insane pullups and all of his abs muscles have muscles on top of them - I said to the ladies present: he really is a hunk, isn't he? They all said: "Quiet, we're concentrating!" But seriously folks ... I appreciated all comments to my "Tori clouded my mind" theory - even those who disagreed. The best argument against it is the "show me, don't just tell me" view. That's an absolutely valid principle and may be why so many of us are baffled about the course and especially the speed of Cat's romance with Gabe. However, it works in my favor about Gabe. After he died and Catherine shocked his human side back to life (you have to buy that idea of course), he has been nothing but a good man. That's what he showed us and that's what he showed her. It is a separate issue to wonder why she is already sleeping with him now. After all, it took 14 episodes to even kiss Vincent. And as for Vincent: he did show us the effects of amnesia. Then he did show us "Tori-confusion". Now he is showing us the effects of Tori being gone. And he is telling us what he cannot show us: his realization that this was happening to him. And even though he didn't choose this, like Season One Vincent, he takes responsibility for everything wrong around him. Just further evidence that Dr. Keller has returned to us. The final piece of evidence is that he doesn't feel worthy of Catherine - again. But listen, don't be so judgmental with my Catherine, OK? She may be making a mistake but that's all it is. This is Catherine! She has a good heart and it was broken by Vincent (possibly through no fault of his). Remember the scenes with the police psychiatrist? Sorting out her feelings is not always something she is good at (unlike the rest of us, right?) I HOPE that Gabe's ultimatum followed by her horrific nightmare will shake Catherine to the core, and help her realize that she needs time alone to heal herself. In television, one episode can represent a period of time longer than a day (unless it is the show 24), and that may be all she gets from the writers. You're right. She IS Catherine underneath everything. Loved your comment about your female relatives. My family usually watches Beauty and the Beast together. My husband and sons know that there is no talking allowed because Mom is "concentrating". Welcome again to the Board. It is refreshing to get a man's opinion.
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Post by feezya on Feb 23, 2014 18:20:13 GMT -5
I was only kidding those of you who were discussing the "shirtless Vincent". No problem. I got a group of my relatives to watch Season One tonight and we watched 7 episodes until it got too late. We'll pick it up tomorrow because I know they're all hooked. But when we came to the greatest of all shirtless scenes where Vincent jumps down from doing insane pullups and all of his abs muscles have muscles on top of them - I said to the ladies present: he really is a hunk, isn't he?
They all said: "Quiet, we're concentrating!"
But seriously folks ... I appreciated all comments to my "Tori clouded my mind" theory - even those who disagreed. The best argument against it is the "show me, don't just tell me" view. That's an absolutely valid principle and may be why so many of us are baffled about the course and especially the speed of Cat's romance with Gabe. However, it works in my favor about Gabe. After he died and Catherine shocked his human side back to life (you have to buy that idea of course), he has been nothing but a good man. That's what he showed us and that's what he showed her. It is a separate issue to wonder why she is already sleeping with him now. After all, it took 14 episodes to even kiss Vincent. And as for Vincent: he did show us the effects of amnesia. Then he did show us "Tori-confusion". Now he is showing us the effects of Tori being gone. And he is telling us what he cannot show us: his realization that this was happening to him. And even though he didn't choose this, like Season One Vincent, he takes responsibility for everything wrong around him. Just further evidence that Dr. Keller has returned to us. The final piece of evidence is that he doesn't feel worthy of Catherine - again. But listen, don't be so judgmental with my Catherine, OK? She may be making a mistake but that's all it is. This is Catherine! She has a good heart and it was broken by Vincent (possibly through no fault of his). Remember the scenes with the police psychiatrist? Sorting out her feelings is not always something she is good at (unlike the rest of us, right?) aaawwwww... u must be a really good sport to watch the series with a bunch of female audience who practically drool when vincent's on the screen. this is why i really appreciate the male perspective on this series be it in the forum or articles/recaps. the men (and boy) in my house are never into romantic series or movies so i'm all alone when it comes to batb. thank god for this forum
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Post by Bill the beast on Feb 24, 2014 2:27:55 GMT -5
One question about last episode: wasn't the Gabe-ultimatum part of Cat's dream? In other words, we don't know that it actually happened, just that Cat dreamed that it happened.
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Post by MyBatB on Feb 24, 2014 2:36:04 GMT -5
One question about last episode: wasn't the Gabe-ultimatum part of Cat's dream? In other words, we don't know that it actually happened, just that Cat dreamed that it happened. Gabe said "Vincent has to go"; but Catherine didn't dream about that ; we saw in the preview that the "ultimatum" will appear in the next episode. She only said that "It's not fair to Gabe....." And in ep 15, he"ll say : "are you with me or are you with him ?" It's the way I understood It.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2014 5:27:29 GMT -5
One question about last episode: wasn't the Gabe-ultimatum part of Cat's dream? In other words, we don't know that it actually happened, just that Cat dreamed that it happened. Gabe said "Vincent has to go"; but Catherine didn't dream about that ; we saw in the preview that the "ultimatum" will appear in the next episode. She only said that "It's not fair to Gabe....." And in ep 15, he"ll say : "are you with me or are you with him ?" It's the way I understood It. I agree, the conversation about her relationship with Vincent interfering with her relationship with him and that Vincent had to go was not part of her dream sequence. The dream begins with her driving to the boathouse, when in fact she is in Gabe's bed. The moment Catherine said something positive about Vincent (that she felt badly for involving him in saving Gabe when Vincent was trying so hard to be just human) Gabe became jealous and went from being an understanding boyfriend to being a possessive one. Many of us, myself included, were surprised by Catherine's meek reaction.
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