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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2014 17:12:46 GMT -5
The team of experts, Kat and Yolie, have confirmed that the scar can be seen in the first dream. I have witnessed the sighting, and it is in a similar spot to the scar in Insatiable except smaller. This scar seems to appear and disappear.... What a mystery ! Because sometimes you can't see it in other shirtless scenes, and believe me, I'm not obsessed by this, it's just that I noticed it. Who is going to solve the scar mystery ? .....Call Catherine Chandler... I'm not Catherine Chandler, but here is my theory. All outward scars were removed as part of the brainwash. Therefore, until Vincent was shot, he was scarless.
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Post by VinCat❤Destined on Feb 22, 2014 18:31:51 GMT -5
The team of experts, Kat and Yolie, have confirmed that the scar can be seen in the first dream. I have witnessed the sighting, and it is in a similar spot to the scar in Insatiable except smaller. This scar seems to appear and disappear.... What a mystery ! Because sometimes you can't see it in other shirtless scenes, and believe me, I'm not obsessed by this, it's just that I noticed it. Who is going to solve the scar mystery ? .....Call Catherine Chandler... Well we haven't seen him shirtless since well Don't Die On Me so we wouldn't know if he had the scar or not..If you recall M removed all his scars when they abducted him so it was logical that the scar on his side wouldn't be there in the early episodes prior to her shooting him LOL
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2014 19:06:06 GMT -5
This scar seems to appear and disappear.... What a mystery ! Because sometimes you can't see it in other shirtless scenes, and believe me, I'm not obsessed by this, it's just that I noticed it. Who is going to solve the scar mystery ? .....Call Catherine Chandler... I'm not Catherine Chandler, but here is my theory. All outward scars were removed as part of the brainwash. Therefore, until Vincent was shot, he was scarless. Are you absolutely sure, @socmom? I vote for a complete and thorough physical examination before we rule that the only scar on his entire body is from the most recent bullet wound. This procedure will require several pairs of eyes and hands...you are all welcome to join me! LOL
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2014 19:18:21 GMT -5
I'm not Catherine Chandler, but here is my theory. All outward scars were removed as part of the brainwash. Therefore, until Vincent was shot, he was scarless. Are you absolutely sure, @socmom? I vote for a complete and thorough physical examination before we rule that the only scar on his entire body is from the most recent bullet wound. This procedure will require several pairs of eyes and hands...you are all welcome to join me! LOL You can count me in PLEASE
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2014 19:25:08 GMT -5
I'm not Catherine Chandler, but here is my theory. All outward scars were removed as part of the brainwash. Therefore, until Vincent was shot, he was scarless. Are you absolutely sure, @socmom? I vote for a complete and thorough physical examination before we rule that the only scar on his entire body is from the most recent bullet wound. This procedure will require several pairs of eyes and hands...you are all welcome to join me! LOL Absolutely!!!! I'm your woman. I will borrow my mother's magnifying glass for more delicate inspection.
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Post by kp definitely needs S3 on Feb 22, 2014 19:51:36 GMT -5
Are you absolutely sure, @socmom? I vote for a complete and thorough physical examination before we rule that the only scar on his entire body is from the most recent bullet wound. This procedure will require several pairs of eyes and hands...you are all welcome to join me! LOL Absolutely!!!! I'm your woman. I will borrow my mother's magnifying glass for more delicate inspection. Girls you can count on me too but I don't need magnifying glass I have very sharp eyes and the examination is done by palpate so I will use my hands to find these scars (oh and no rubber gloves)
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2014 19:57:17 GMT -5
Absolutely!!!! I'm your woman. I will borrow my mother's magnifying glass for more delicate inspection. Girls you can count on me too but I don't need magnifying glass I have very sharp eyes and the examination is done by palpate so I will use my hands to find these scars (oh and no rubber gloves) I LOVE the way you think!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2014 20:00:41 GMT -5
Absolutely!!!! I'm your woman. I will borrow my mother's magnifying glass for more delicate inspection. Girls you can count on me too but I don't need magnifying glass I have very sharp eyes and the examination is done by palpate so I will use my hands to find these scars (oh and no rubber gloves) Like a blind woman reading Braille.....even better.
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Post by Bill the beast on Feb 22, 2014 20:49:15 GMT -5
But back to the dreams - Perhaps it means that Catherine is not able to truly deal with some of the consequences of the shooting just yet? I think she was justified to shoot him to some degree, but that shot definitely had some major impact on her, V, and their relationship. She might have convinced herself that she has moved forward from it, but I don't think she has fully forgiven herself or V for causing that damage to themselves. She is still swimming in denial & a whole bunch of other negative emotions or haze. So I think the writers were trying to show us the difference between where V is and where C is on their journey back to each other. I hate to interrupt this "shirtless Vincent" discussion but I'd like to say I agree with this point. Much damage has been done to Catherine this season and she has a way to go before she could sort out her feelings for Vincent. We have to let her take that journey. I have no desire to see her with Gabe right now but I think she finds him safe and caring and that's what she needed. At least that's the only way I can account for her actions. As for Gabe, I think some of you are being unfair to him. The writers may spring a surprise on us and return the Season One Gabe but right now, all the evidence we are given is that he is a decent guy now. And as for Vincent, he is making his journey back to the human-side. A few episodes back I was wondering if Vincent could possibly be redeemed by any plausable story line. He was murdering anybody who got in his way. This was a long way from the Dr. Keller of Season One. But it is becoming clear how Tori pulled him to the beast-side. I haven't read anyone posting about this particular point but remember what Vincent said to Tori in their brief "breaking-up" conversation. Something like: being around you has clouded my mind - I couldn't think.Just as Vincent was about to get over the influence of Reynolds, Tori comes along to completely cloud his mind. In "Held Hostage", the further Vincent gets from Tori inside the precinct, the more the caring Vincent is back. Now in this episode Dr. Keller is back again and he realizes what a mistake he made with Cat. But Catherine has her own healing path to walk. None of this may be clear to her yet.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2014 21:15:31 GMT -5
But back to the dreams - Perhaps it means that Catherine is not able to truly deal with some of the consequences of the shooting just yet? I think she was justified to shoot him to some degree, but that shot definitely had some major impact on her, V, and their relationship. She might have convinced herself that she has moved forward from it, but I don't think she has fully forgiven herself or V for causing that damage to themselves. She is still swimming in denial & a whole bunch of other negative emotions or haze. So I think the writers were trying to show us the difference between where V is and where C is on their journey back to each other. I hate to interrupt this "shirtless Vincent" discussion but I'd like to say I agree with this point. Much damage has been done to Catherine this season and she has a way to go before she could sort out her feelings for Vincent. We have to let her take that journey. I have no desire to see her with Gabe right now but I think she finds him safe and caring and that's what she needed. At least that's the only way I can account for her actions. As for Gabe, I think some of you are being unfair to him. The writers may spring a surprise on us and return the Season One Gabe but right now, all the evidence we are given is that he is a decent guy now. And as for Vincent, he is making his journey back to the human-side. A few episodes back I was wondering if Vincent could possibly be redeemed by any plausable story line. He was murdering anybody who got in his way. This was a long way from the Dr. Keller of Season One. But it is becoming clear how Tori pulled him to the beast-side. I haven't read anyone posting about this particular point but remember what Vincent said to Tori in their brief "breaking-up" conversation. Something like: being around you has clouded my mind - I couldn't think.Just as Vincent was about to get over the influence of Reynolds, Tori comes along to completely cloud his mind. In "Held Hostage", the further Vincent gets from Tori inside the precinct, the more the caring Vincent is back. Now in this episode Dr. Keller is back again and he realizes what a mistake he made with Cat. But Catherine has her own healing path to walk. None of this may be clear to her yet. Very good point, Bill. The writers haven't allowed Catherine to go through her stages of grief and self discovery. They threw her directly into Gabe's arms. I really hope she gets some time alone for her own journey instead of bouncing between men.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2014 21:42:23 GMT -5
I hate to interrupt this "shirtless Vincent" discussion but I'd like to say I agree with this point. Much damage has been done to Catherine this season and she has a way to go before she could sort out her feelings for Vincent. We have to let her take that journey. I have no desire to see her with Gabe right now but I think she finds him safe and caring and that's what she needed. At least that's the only way I can account for her actions. As for Gabe, I think some of you are being unfair to him. The writers may spring a surprise on us and return the Season One Gabe but right now, all the evidence we are given is that he is a decent guy now. And as for Vincent, he is making his journey back to the human-side. A few episodes back I was wondering if Vincent could possibly be redeemed by any plausable story line. He was murdering anybody who got in his way. This was a long way from the Dr. Keller of Season One. But it is becoming clear how Tori pulled him to the beast-side. I haven't read anyone posting about this particular point but remember what Vincent said to Tori in their brief "breaking-up" conversation. Something like: being around you has clouded my mind - I couldn't think.Just as Vincent was about to get over the influence of Reynolds, Tori comes along to completely cloud his mind. In "Held Hostage", the further Vincent gets from Tori inside the precinct, the more the caring Vincent is back. Now in this episode Dr. Keller is back again and he realizes what a mistake he made with Cat. But Catherine has her own healing path to walk. None of this may be clear to her yet. Sorry, but I don't think people are being unfair with Gabe. A character unbelievable is a characater unbelievable. If the writers want us to accept Gabe they have to put a little bit more effort on making clear that he's a good guy, not simply shaming the audience with a brief recap of S1 and Vincent attesting that he's telling the truth. Catherine being with him is disgusting. If the writers really wanted us to accept him, they wouldn't make Catherine forget everything he did only 3 months before just because he said he wants to be with her or making him a passive-aggressive manipulative man. The same goes for Vincent. If the writers wanted us to buy the ridiculous plot of Tori manipulating every little emotion and thinking he had, they should be competent enough to show this influence. As people on this own board said, if it's not on the screen, it didn't happen. Vincent telling that to her practically in their last scene together wasn't convincing. Sloppy writing is sloppy writing. It's not the audience's job to see things that aren't there.
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Post by Naná on Feb 22, 2014 22:37:24 GMT -5
I understand your point. I think most do not want to gabe with Cat, loves Vincent in his place, so... makes gabe in a dark place, not yet proved to be the bad guy, but he is showing some things that bother, as scrub on the face of Vincent and Cat, the issue of man and beast. but on the other hand, why not believe what the characters say?, beyond what is shown on screen? Vincent said Tori affected him. he said he loves cat, I'll take that.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2014 22:38:14 GMT -5
Sorry Bill the beast, we tend to get carried away and slightly off path at times; so thanks for your patience and for reining us in and getting us back on topic. Well, this jury is still out as far as coming up with a verdict for Gabe. The writing and character portrayal has failed to convince me beyond a shadow of a doubt that he is a reformed man. If he goes back to being a beast, I hope it will be his choice as opposed to circumstances beyond his control; then we will get a clearer picture of who he truly is. There have been so many parallels with Season 1, but I do not want to see Gabe sacrificing himself, like Evan did, to give Vincent and Catherine a chance to make it. I hope they come up with something better than a repeat scenario.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2014 0:38:14 GMT -5
I think it's interesting to see the differences between the dreams. Vincent's dream shows his true self, caring, protective and a little unsure of himself. Cat's dream shows the beast he forced her to deal with. Hard, demanding, cocky and unconsiderate. Which shows that she absolutely didn't see the changes on him. That's how much his image is damaged to her. Vincent took 11 episodes to find his way back to himself. It's really a stretch of the audience's good will to put Cat back to see him as a good man in only 1 episode. Just because Kern wanted to play love triangles and got burned because of that. Absurd.
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Post by beastiegirl.happy.puppy on Feb 23, 2014 1:06:39 GMT -5
I'm speaking of ep 16, S01 ! Watch and tell me ! ..."maybe gunshot wounds bleed on the opposite side in the CW." It's a good one ! Okay...fine....since you are twisting my arm, I will watch yet another shirtless Vincent scene just for YOU. You are way too nice to us!! We really don't deserve your kindness!
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