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Post by chiefpam on Feb 5, 2014 17:44:29 GMT -5
Okay, being positive... what I'd like to see... The next several episodes with *no* soap-opera elements. Some gradual smoothing out of awkwardness between Cat & Vincent, but mostly can they please have a good action plot? They said they want to get more male viewers; since when do guys flock to watch soap opera angst? V & C need to get back to where they can work together. Nobody kisses anyone. Here's a thought. Catherine could actually do some police work! I know, it's crazy, but it just might work! Pursuant to the above, I'd like to see Gabe's role drastically reduced. He's not interim precinct chief anymore. If they do keep him, I want to see some reasons that Cat's into him, since apparently she's interested. What exactly does she like about him? 'Cause so far I'm not seeing it. I would like to see a lot more of JT. JT rocks, and I think Vincent really needs him. JT's a good influence, and no sexual tension
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Post by Naná on Feb 5, 2014 21:36:09 GMT -5
Only one thing about this ep: Vincat is coming soon
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Post by beastiegirl.happy.puppy on Feb 5, 2014 23:19:18 GMT -5
I haven't yet caught up on all the posts in this thread, BUT the "Beasties Forever" Review of 212 has been posted. As usual, it's very well done. It is a long one as they "have a lot to cover". The easiest way is to put it on when you're cleaning, cooking or whatever doesn't really require concentration. If nothing else, please listen to the first 10 minutes when they read a post by "Liz".
www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUPhV44k5H0
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Post by bookworm on Feb 6, 2014 1:57:24 GMT -5
I haven't yet caught up on all the posts in this thread, BUT the "Beasties Forever" Review of 212 has been posted. As usual, it's very well done. It is a long one as they "have a lot to cover". The easiest way is to put it on when you're cleaning, cooking or whatever doesn't really require concentration. If nothing else, please listen to the first 10 minutes when they read a post by "Liz".
www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUPhV44k5H0 Thank you for posting this link! These two ladies are fan fic writers who have written some of those "saucy" stories..... They make very good points in their review! I agree with what they say about the fans and also what they think about concentrating on the whole season and the evolution of the characters instead of focusing on a single episode or scene..
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Post by anapi -season3baby :) on Feb 6, 2014 2:45:08 GMT -5
I haven't yet caught up on all the posts in this thread, BUT the "Beasties Forever" Review of 212 has been posted. As usual, it's very well done. It is a long one as they "have a lot to cover". The easiest way is to put it on when you're cleaning, cooking or whatever doesn't really require concentration. If nothing else, please listen to the first 10 minutes when they read a post by "Liz".
www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUPhV44k5H0 Thank you for posting this link! These two ladies are fan fic writers who have written some of those "saucy" stories..... They make very good points in their review! I agree with what they say about the fans and also what they think about concentrating on the whole season and the evolution of the characters instead of focusing on a single episode or scene.. i liked their gabe vs vincent theory, thought that was cool yes i enjoy watching their reviews too
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2014 5:16:51 GMT -5
I was thinking about something I read a while back. Austin said in a tweet, if I'm not mistaken, to forget about superficial relationships and concentrate on Vincent and Catherine's body language (sorry, I won't use shipper name VinCat anymore because this couple went away in Reynolds' net, now they're just like any other TV couple). There's something really interesting there and want to know your opinion on it. Feel free to disagree all you want. I often find the banter between the 2 fractions of the fandom much more interesting than other things. It makes me see more depth (some times more than it's actually on the screen) on the story than just seeing this little fellow . If you analyze 212, you'll see that Catherine was always Vincent's motivator. Everything he does go back to her. I'm not giving him a free-pass. On the contrary. The guilt or losing his life is all on his back and it's time for him to pay for his weakness. He always had a choice. He chose wrong. Simple as that. He lost himself to his anger and bestial side. And, as much as people may try to argue, it was his choice and he chose the easiest path. He admitted that much. Worst, this is his pattern – going to war out of rage instead of fighting for a better future, leaving his fiancée behind instead of facing the fact that she wasn't really the love of his life, etc – and he'll have to come to terms with it. Just one more thing for him to change in the journey of “Who am I?” (If that journey really exists, that is. So far, I only saw a poor excuse to have the main leads rolling in the sheets with other characters). But I think 212 made pretty clear that what Vincent always wanted was Catherine. From the moment he realized that she didn't hate him or loathed what he is, as I think he honestly believed – even when they were together – until 211, all his anger was gone. He started to be what he truly is. As hideous as the “bathrobe scene” was, it's the key scene to me. As soon as he realized that he still had a place in Catherine's life, as small as that place might be, he started to fight to keep that place. As Tory stated, he sneaked out of the bed (rejecting possible steamy and primal sex) every night to call Catherine, to talk to her, be close to her. Which makes me think that, if Catherine had stayed by his side, Tori would never stand a chance, no matter how primal their attraction could be. I'm not trying to say that Catherine's responsible for his infidelity. Yes, it's infidelity to my eyes. First, because it actually started as infidelity. Second, because he was being unfaithful to his heart and I don't think there's an excuse to that. But that's just me and I understand how people can see this differently. What I'm saying is that he gave himself up to Tori because Catherine went away, because he thought he lost her forever. It didn't matter anymore what would become of him if the one thing he wanted he couldn't have. It's all his fault, of course, and he knows that. Which only made him even more angry. In a way, Tori was the receptacle of that anger. <Moderator Snip> No wonder she was so visibly unhappy. Forget about pics with him cupping her face. That was just the writers trying to conquer an audience that was never interested in what they had to offer in first place. Tori was just a tool to relieve his manly urges (and that includes anger). Nothing more. But his main gold was always Catherine. Catherine's the one he wants to talk with, connect with and understand. Catherine's the one that makes him do things. He only considered revealing himself to the public after she talked to him, only regret not being a good guy when she expressed disappointment. In the end, Catherine was why he broke free from Tori's influence. When Tori tried to break his last tie to Catherine, he rejected her. Maybe if she hadn't tried to do that, she would be able to keep him for longer, but with Catherine in the picture again, it would be just a matter of time for him to dump Tori, one way or another. It's all about Catherine. I don't see anything epic on this storyline. I don't see a special and profound love anymore. If Vincent's love was profound, his bestial side would love Catherine, too, and that obviously never happened. Mostly, I don't see why this storyline was even necessary, if we all know that it's useless. Vincent and Catherine will be together at the end, so why waste so much time breaking them apart and making them hateful people? I know the answer, but it's still a weak one. But, yes, Vincent loves Catherine.
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Post by Savana_ Dying for season3! on Feb 6, 2014 5:29:20 GMT -5
Please see original post. I agree with many of your statements, especially with the main one, about Vincent loving Catherine all along, no matter what. Just to point out that, IMO, Catherine should be considered as "unfaithful" as Vincent was before with Tori. Because she's jumping on Gabe's arms despite she still loves Vincent. I agree we didn't need so much mess with the characters to reach the point they wanted, but that's something we'll have to live with. No turning point in that sense.
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Post by raniamahd on Feb 6, 2014 6:07:43 GMT -5
Please see original post. first dear let me say wow and bravo i enjoy reading your post especially depending on the first paragraph , because it is my way and understand of the meaning of discussion and exchange of points of views i almost agree with every thing in your post , but i really loved the parts i colored with red and as for the big bold parts ? now that what i called brilliant <Moderator Snip>and as for this q ? (so why waste so much time breaking them apart and making them hateful people?) i think you already answered it here ( I only saw a poor excuse to have the main leads rolling in the sheets with other characters) and may i add because it is a cw show after all and therefor we have to suffer from cheep plot device and silly love triangles but as for the part colored with blue ? oh God forbidden i am all gratful we didn't have to see that <Moderator Snip> but for some unbelievable reason the show makers shoot scenes with them kissing and God knows doing what else ? the same they did with C and G and they think fans will be interested to see that (??) <Moderator Snip>
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Post by katiebeast S3 <3 on Feb 6, 2014 6:40:20 GMT -5
Please see original post. I agree with many of your statements, especially with the main one, about Vincent loving Catherine all along, no matter what. Just to point out that, IMO, Catherine should be considered as "unfaithful" as Vincent was before with Tori. Because she's jumping on Gabe's arms despite she still loves Vincent. I agree we didn't need so much mess with the characters to reach the point they wanted, but that's something we'll have to live with. No turning point in that sense. I too agree with many of your statements. I thought that in this episode it was really clear that Vincent loves Catherine very deeply and would do just about anything for her. And that he is very very conscious of the fact that he screwed up BIG time. I also think he believes that there is no turning back, only moving forward. He says that a good number of times througout the episode. 'Moving forward'. I think (and I'm just writing this down as the thought develops) that he believes there is no way that Catherine would ever take him back, or truly forgive him, but he'll try his damnedest to make things as right as possible. And that was, amongst other things, taking a break from Tori, because he saw the negative effect she had on him, and he saw that what she felt for him was not healthy. That was also doing his best to solve the riddle, so his beloved Catherine could move on with her life, even if that means that she won't be by his side. He loves her. No doubt in my mind about that. And as for Catherine? Well, I took comfort in the fact that when Gabe asked her if she was worried because she couldn't reach Vincent, she answered without hesitating 'Always'. Now the difficult part: the epic romance. I think, that you can only define something as 'epic' at the end of the road. And we're so obviously not yet at the end of the road. How can you say a romance was 'epic' when there are no obstacles yet? How can you say a romance was 'epic' when said obstacles are still unfolding? How can you say something was 'epic', when you haven't reached the end of the road yet? So, no, this is not yet (!) an epic romance. Just my two cents.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2014 6:44:59 GMT -5
I agree with many of your statements, especially with the main one, about Vincent loving Catherine all along, no matter what. Just to point out that, IMO, Catherine should be considered as "unfaithful" as Vincent was before with Tori. Because she's jumping on Gabe's arms despite she still loves Vincent. I agree we didn't need so much mess with the characters to reach the point they wanted, but that's something we'll have to live with. No turning point in that sense. I disagree. First, as I said before, I consider Vincent & Tori as infidelity because it started as infidelity. Vincent kissed her while in a relationship with Catherine. He still had that relationship when he sided with Tori and decided to kill Reynolds, disregarding that that would kill that relationship. In every way, Vincent betrayed Catherine in favor to Tori. That's why it was infidelity. Catherine was by his side every step of the way. She fought for their love even when there was no hope left. He screwed up. She's out of love. Because he killed it, not her. Now, she's in denial. She's not betraying her heart because she truly believes she doesn't love him anymore. Vincent doesn't hear her heart speeding up when he's around anymore. That's the key. She shut her heart completely to him. Gabe is also just a tool for her anger. She sided with him in the peak of it because he was the only one that was there for her. Even Tess abandoned her because all she did was judge Catherine for still fighting for Vincent. As much as I dislike Gabe, he was the only one that extended his hand to Catherine in the time she needed the most. Now, she thinks she solved her problems. And Gabe is still there. She's going to him out of gratitude because that's the kind of person she is. She knows she'll never truly love him, but she also knows that no love will ever be like the one she had for Vincent. So why not reward Gabe for his kindness? Why not fill her life with a person that'll do everything for her when the person she loved the most never did anything for their love? It's just a practical choice, but her heart is closed. Vincent took all she had there. There's no love in her heart anymore, not only for Vincent, but for anyone. Therefore, she's not being unfaithful to herself. She's just being numb.
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Post by VinCat❤Destined on Feb 6, 2014 6:50:31 GMT -5
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Post by katiebeast S3 <3 on Feb 6, 2014 6:57:41 GMT -5
I agree with many of your statements, especially with the main one, about Vincent loving Catherine all along, no matter what. Just to point out that, IMO, Catherine should be considered as "unfaithful" as Vincent was before with Tori. Because she's jumping on Gabe's arms despite she still loves Vincent. I agree we didn't need so much mess with the characters to reach the point they wanted, but that's something we'll have to live with. No turning point in that sense. I disagree. First, as I said before, I consider Vincent & Tori as infidelity because it started as infidelity. Vincent kissed her while in a relationship with Catherine. He still had that relationship when he sided with Tori and decided to kill Reynolds, disregarding that that would kill that relationship. In every way, Vincent betrayed Catherine in favor to Tori. That's why it was infidelity. Catherine was by his side every step of the way. She fought for their love even when there was no hope left. He screwed up. She's out of love. Because he killed it, not her. Now, she's in denial. She's not betraying her heart because she truly believes she doesn't love him anymore. Vincent doesn't hear her heart speeding up when he's around anymore. That's the key. She shut her heart completely to him. Gabe is also just a tool for her anger. She sided with him in the peak of it because he was the only one that was there to her. Even Tess abandoned her because all she did was judge Catherine for still fighting for Vincent. As much as I dislike Gabe, he was the only one that extended his hand to Catherine in the time he needed the most. Now, she thinks she solved her problems. And Gabe is still there. She's going to him out of gratitude because that's the kind of person she is. She knows she'll never truly love him, but she also knows that no love will ever be like the one she had for Vincent. So why not reward Gabe for his kindness? Why not fill her life with a person that'll do everything for her when the person she loved the most never did anything for their love? It's just a practical choice, but her heart is close. Vincent took all she had there. There's no love in her heart anymore, not only for Vincent, but for anyone. Therefore, she's not being unfaithful to herself. She's just being numb. Was Catherine truly with him every step of the way? I dare to doubt that... If I remember correctly, Catherine was not really happy with the Vincent she got back. She was (and still is even) portraying every action of Vincent 2.0 on Vincent 1.0. Always comparing them with each other. She couldn't accept Vincent 2.0. She wanted him to change back to who he was before his memory was taken away from him. Even though he didn't even know who he was (he is only now starting to figure that out). He couldn't remember. Is that being with someone every step of the way? Anyway, I am by no means condoning Vincent's (re)actions here; when he was able to choose (ie when he had regained most of his memory back) he choose the path of selfdestruction. I'm just saying that Catherine made (and is making) her fair share of mistakes. Let's just hope they both learn from them...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2014 7:18:28 GMT -5
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Post by feezya on Feb 6, 2014 7:21:43 GMT -5
I haven't yet caught up on all the posts in this thread, BUT the "Beasties Forever" Review of 212 has been posted. As usual, it's very well done. It is a long one as they "have a lot to cover". The easiest way is to put it on when you're cleaning, cooking or whatever doesn't really require concentration. If nothing else, please listen to the first 10 minutes when they read a post by "Liz".
www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUPhV44k5H0 I actually like that term "twatters" very much Learned sooo many new words since I got here; actual words and words from Batb dictionary
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Post by feezya on Feb 6, 2014 7:31:43 GMT -5
eclatantly Liz is just hilarious!!! I truly admire her. no matter how she hates tori and gave, she's always constructive and looking at the glass as half full and with faith and patience. And her tumbler is just full of beautiful things.
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