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Post by VinCat❤Destined on Apr 23, 2013 16:32:20 GMT -5
I don't know if us Beasties can recover from something like that! I mean, JT working against Vincent?! That'd break our hearts! Yes it will break our hearts...but imagine the shock and horror of such a revalation? Total drama! This is what good TV shows are made of!
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Post by firefly on Apr 24, 2013 0:16:37 GMT -5
Okay, I'm probably beating a dead horse here, but I was thinking about the choices that Evan made in this episode. No doubt, he made a poor choice joining Muirfield. I don't see him as a bad guy, though, just a man who found himself in a bad situation. He really thought he was doing the right thing. Whatever he found in his research regarding Vincent was enough to make him feel that he needed to protect Cat. Remember what he told Cat earlier about Vincent succumbing to his animal nature entirely? He later learns that Vin is really a man, not a monster. And he knows that Vin would never hurt Cat intentionally. But if he succumbs to his animal nature entirely.....Hmm.I feel Evan was justified if he thought V would end up like a wild animal. Would you dance with a bear, or take a stroll with a cougar? Sounds dangerous. Evan was appropriately scared for Cat.
Also, I would like to talk about the choices that Cat made. She thought she was doing the right thing, too. She feels guilty that Evan died, thinking she could have prevented it if she had told him the truth. "I should've told him...Why didn't I...If only I...He might still be alive... " We can go over and over this scenario with Catherine. Would it have made a difference if she had told him? Would he have listened?...After pondering over things a bit, I have come to this conclusion. We can cast the blame until we're blue in the face. It's his fault, it's her fault. Everyone is responsible for their own decisions. We all make choices. Good and bad. I guess someone might say "Evan made his own bed by joining M," and "Cat blames herself for Evan and her mom's death," and "Vin should not have taken the injection that made him a beast." Whatever we may feel, one thing is for certain. The people who are truly, truly to blame in all of this is Muirfield. They lied to everyone. They made Vincent the way he is, killed Cat's mom and Evan. They are the bad guys here.
I could go on and on about the choices these characters made, but I won't bore you. This episode was intense, and I feel the scene with Evan, Cat and Vin in the tunnels was handled beautifully. Initially when I watched it I was upset, because it seemed like a final curtain call on Evan's story. However, I cannot deny the power in the tunnel scene. It was flawless, actually. Also, I have no idea who composed the music during that scene, but it was bea-u-tiful. I know Cat cared about Evan. I will never ever doubt that. She was scared for him, too, there at the end...Sigh... I am saddened by Evan's loss. But for Cat there is no going back. You can't turn back the clock, right? Evan was a great character to me. I don't want to give up on his return, though, however silly it might be bringing someone back from the dead.
Sorry this is so long. But these are some things I needed to get off my chest. We may vent, we may rant, we may turn into a bit of a beast. But we can all admit that we are passionate about this show. I have enjoyed reading all of your comments. Sometimes they help me to gain a better insight on character motivations, story elements, etc... Moving forward, with only four episodes left, it looks like we're in for a ride. If this is the train to BATB heaven, then I don't want to get off. I'm invested in this show and I want to know whats going to happen. Evan may be gone, but he's not forgotten. Not in my book. I must not lose faith in his return. Nay, I will not.
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Post by vincerine on Apr 24, 2013 0:32:38 GMT -5
firefly, my writing cannot be as good as yours, and I was the first to tell you guys here that Evan is dead before epi 18 aired. But I have never doubt for a second that Evan is coming back, he has to be. Max Brown characterized a very charming Evan and there is no way he just said goodbye like this. And if Evan would, I would not understand why they chose MAx for such a short-lived character in the first place, because Max is too good to act in this show for such a short time. THat is just my humble thought.
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Post by VinCat❤Destined on Apr 24, 2013 0:40:47 GMT -5
Firefly between what you wrote and your sig...You got me all teary-eyed! I too hope that they bring Evan back somehow..But if he's not he died being a hero...CHIVERY isn't dead!
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Post by VinCat❤Destined on Apr 26, 2013 21:14:45 GMT -5
First off..as you may know or not..I love knowing everything about the process of the magic...I was able to ask one of the staff of BatB I think the writer about Max demise... here's my tweet and her answer..So I guess it wasn't a surprise to any of the actors that this was the way Evan's character was going.
@yolycopro 25 Apr @fancifulsarah Hi Sarah! When did the writers decide to kill off Evan? I mean was it sudden or you knew all along when Max was cast? #BATB
Sarah Hernandez Sarah Hernandez @fancifulsarah 25 Apr
@yolycopro TV's always changing. Stories are always changing, esp. on a 1st season show. Evan's arc started shaping around Dec. #BATB
Yolie
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Post by curly on Apr 26, 2013 22:39:45 GMT -5
Evan had to go. As the show evolved his character got lost. Never saw him as a relationship threat because kk and Jay have too much chemistry.
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Post by VinCat❤Destined on Apr 26, 2013 22:47:12 GMT -5
Evan had to go. As the show evolved his character got lost. Never saw him as a relationship threat because kk and Jay have too much chemistry. Yeah but they could have Evan work with JT for a cure if they really wanted to keep the character..imagine how odd that would be for Vincent and Catherine knowing that Evan loved her?...LOL
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Post by ArwenFan on Apr 26, 2013 22:59:00 GMT -5
Okay, I'm probably beating a dead horse here, but I was thinking about the choices that Evan made in this episode. No doubt, he made a poor choice joining Muirfield. I don't see him as a bad guy, though, just a man who found himself in a bad situation. He really thought he was doing the right thing. Whatever he found in his research regarding Vincent was enough to make him feel that he needed to protect Cat. Remember what he told Cat earlier about Vincent succumbing to his animal nature entirely? He later learns that Vin is really a man, not a monster. And he knows that Vin would never hurt Cat intentionally. But if he succumbs to his animal nature entirely.....Hmm.I feel Evan was justified if he thought V would end up like a wild animal. Would you dance with a bear, or take a stroll with a cougar? Sounds dangerous. Evan was appropriately scared for Cat. Also, I would like to talk about the choices that Cat made. She thought she was doing the right thing, too. She feels guilty that Evan died, thinking she could have prevented it if she had told him the truth. "I should've told him...Why didn't I...If only I...He might still be alive... " We can go over and over this scenario with Catherine. Would it have made a difference if she had told him? Would he have listened?...After pondering over things a bit, I have come to this conclusion. We can cast the blame until we're blue in the face. It's his fault, it's her fault. Everyone is responsible for their own decisions. We all make choices. Good and bad. I guess someone might say "Evan made his own bed by joining M," and "Cat blames herself for Evan and her mom's death," and "Vin should not have taken the injection that made him a beast." Whatever we may feel, one thing is for certain. The people who are truly, truly to blame in all of this is Muirfield. They lied to everyone. They made Vincent the way he is, killed Cat's mom and Evan. They are the bad guys here. I could go on and on about the choices these characters made, but I won't bore you. This episode was intense, and I feel the scene with Evan, Cat and Vin in the tunnels was handled beautifully. Initially when I watched it I was upset, because it seemed like a final curtain call on Evan's story. However, I cannot deny the power in the tunnel scene. It was flawless, actually. Also, I have no idea who composed the music during that scene, but it was bea-u-tiful. I know Cat cared about Evan. I will never ever doubt that. She was scared for him, too, there at the end...Sigh... I am saddened by Evan's loss. But for Cat there is no going back. You can't turn back the clock, right? Evan was a great character to me. I don't want to give up on his return, though, however silly it might be bringing someone back from the dead. Sorry this is so long. But these are some things I needed to get off my chest. We may vent, we may rant, we may turn into a bit of a beast. But we can all admit that we are passionate about this show. I have enjoyed reading all of your comments. Sometimes they help me to gain a better insight on character motivations, story elements, etc... Moving forward, with only four episodes left, it looks like we're in for a ride. If this is the train to BATB heaven, then I don't want to get off. I'm invested in this show and I want to know whats going to happen. Evan may be gone, but he's not forgotten. Not in my book. I must not lose faith in his return. Nay, I will not. Where to start? I believe in people taking responsibility for their actions and not trying to find some way to assign blame elsewhere or make excuses when the decisions they make turn out badly. I also believe in free will. Whatever Evan thought or felt, he saw the light in the end. The cold truth that Evan faced too late follows: Catherine did not need his protection. He could not protect Catherine. Vincent was not a monster. Vincent was a man. Catherine loved Vincent. Vincent loved Catherine. Vincent could and would protect Catherine and vice versa. No matter what is going on with Vincent’s DNA, he is a human being and I believe his moral strength, his spirit and humanity will prevail. Evan’s statement about Vincent succumbing to his animal nature entirely IMO is wrong. It would make some sense if Vincent was an animal injected with human DNA, but not the other way around. I think one of the main reasons that I cannot sympathize with Evan is this: I despise people who think they know better than someone else; those well-meaning, but deluded souls who think that an intelligent, educated adult is incapable of making his or her own decisions, especially ones that don’t include the know-it-all busybody and when that person is of the female persuasion. So, I am looking at Evan through this POV and he didn’t do anything to make me change my mind. He made demands of Catherine that he had no right to make all the while doing the same thing he was accusing her of…keeping secrets. Furthermore, for a scientist, Evan had an amazingly narrow focus. He latched on to one theory/possibility and did not consider any others. Because of that, he made foolish decisions based on faulty "scientific" conclusions. While trying to protect Catherine and destroy Vincent he put his so-called beloved in mortal danger, danger that she is still in to this day. Blaming Muirfield is easy. But the bottom line is each of these people made up their own minds to get involved with this shady organization despite better judgment and probably red alerts going off that would put the bridge of the Enterprise to shame. I’m not interested in the “woulda coulda shoulda” game. It’s not productive and doesn’t change the outcome. Evan is dead because Evan would not listen to anyone who tried to rein him in and because he put all his faith in one theory—the creature/monster theory. He rushed head-on to his untimely end. I personally don’t see Evan returning and if the writers are going where I think they’re going, I applaud them. Even in sci-fi/fantasy, death should be final unless there is a reasonable, compelling case for bringing someone back. Sorry, but some fans liking Evan isn’t a good enough reason for me. People come and go; that’s life. The world spins on. Sorry if this sounds a little cold, but that’s the way I see it.
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Post by ArwenFan on Apr 26, 2013 23:00:54 GMT -5
Evan had to go. As the show evolved his character got lost. Never saw him as a relationship threat because kk and Jay have too much chemistry. Yeah but they could have Evan work with JT for a cure if they really wanted to keep the character..imagine how odd that would be for Vincent and Catherine knowing that Evan loved her?...LOL So glad they didn't do that.
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Post by VinCat❤Destined on Apr 26, 2013 23:05:47 GMT -5
Yeah but they could have Evan work with JT for a cure if they really wanted to keep the character..imagine how odd that would be for Vincent and Catherine knowing that Evan loved her?...LOL So glad they didn't do that. You're too funny..first time I see that puke thingy LOL
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Post by ArwenFan on Apr 26, 2013 23:19:40 GMT -5
So glad they didn't do that. You're too funny..first time I see that puke thingy LOL I love your new avatar.
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Post by VinCat❤Destined on Apr 26, 2013 23:21:27 GMT -5
^ Thank you ..I actually have a sig of that...Anyone interested?? LOL
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Post by VinCat❤Destined on Apr 26, 2013 23:39:05 GMT -5
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Post by djarrett on Apr 28, 2013 20:46:02 GMT -5
I'm rewatching this episode as I type this... Gotta say --with all the tranqs used on Vincent this season (JT, Alex, Muirfield)--- how long before they cause him damage? I mean, I'm not allowed steroid shots (allergic reactions, flu, etc) from my doctor no more than 4 times a year without risking heart problems! So what's the medical limit for Vincent?!! LOL
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Post by VinCat❤Destined on Apr 29, 2013 1:09:51 GMT -5
I'm no doctor but I think tranq are different type of medications all together..People live on tranq meds for various problems..I understand a big dose can cause harm but remember Vincent isn't your normal human
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