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Post by Catherine Chandler on Jan 13, 2014 0:43:39 GMT -5
Ok, even if I get tomatoes for this, I'm going to say it...I actually like the episode but only for one reason for me that episode was hilarioooooous! I laughed the whole time! I couldn't help it. When Cat called Vincent a dog I was like Then when she shot him again and both of them were like "AGAIN"...well, AGAIN I laughed I honestly wanted to hit Vincent in the head What a stubborn beast...seriously For this I will definitely get tomatoes. I did dislike Tori when she was telling Cat how wrong she was about shooting Vincent and her being at the boat house BUT I kind of like their scenes when they were in that store or whatever that thing was. I was laughing there too and I don't know why. I love Cat in that scene. She was like "I don't care about you too. I just want to move on" I also thought Tori was going to let Cat die right there when those people told her they could kill Cat but she actually protected her. I think that's why I ended up liking Tori in that scene. For the record I only like Tori in THAT scene. At least Tori protected her not like Vincent Oh and I love JT and Tess scenes And guys, why do you worry so much about Gabe? I can't post spoilers here but you should go read a Q&A that Sendhil did the last day we voted for PCA. That's going to make you not worry about Gabe and Cat. Seriously
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Post by sunshine978 on Jan 13, 2014 0:45:41 GMT -5
One more thing, nothing is clear as to the mythology. Catherine found a skeleton, but we don't know if it triggered something for her. Tori's dad is involved and more people know that beasts exist, but who do they work for? I still don't get the need for the Vincent/Tori kiss...and that still makes me a little (giant understatement) mad. Locaxbatb, I wasn't going to comment because I didn't watch the episode but I am so glad you brought up the kiss because I wanted to raise a discussion about this so-called 'primal attraction' that Vincent and Tori have which led to the kiss in Episode 7. Since that episode, have they been kissing every time they're in the same room?? Is Vincent still agitated when he's around Tori. I read people's comments about episode 8 "Man or Beast" and some comments about tonight's episode "Don't Die On Me" and so far they haven't kissed again. So what happened to the so-called 'primal attraction'?!
What possessed the writers to take it that far? They made it look like Vincent and Tori wouldn't be able to keep their mouths to each other when they're around one another! If they were trying to prove that they are drawn to each another because they're both beasts, they could have easily shown that in other ways WITHOUT a kiss! But again, they took a big risk KNOWING that fans wouldn't like it and might stop watching. Some did.
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Post by crazyforbatb_has season 3 on Jan 13, 2014 0:49:18 GMT -5
I actually liked this episode. It set the stage for future storylines so fans can't expect answers to things straight away. Many tv shows take years of throwing out small clues before bringing mysteries to a conclusion or answering questions (for e.g Castle w Beckett's mom and The Mentalist w identity of Red John - 5 seasons). My Vincat heart broke at all the angst but it can only go up from here. Definitely feel more positive. You could see the feelings between Vincent and Catherine still run deep no matter how on the surface they pushed each other away. You could also see that Vincent was getting a little tired of Tori and irritated with her constantly trying to reinforce the bond she perceives or wants them to have. Loved how Catherine said she felt in her gut this connection to Vincent. That will probably play out too as the mythology "connection" or something.
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Post by Catherine Chandler on Jan 13, 2014 0:50:34 GMT -5
Ooh, I totally forgot. This seriously bothered me a lot because for me this doesn't make any sense. Correct me if I'm wrong, but last time I checked Vincent isn't a celebrity or a politician, is he? So I get the police would ask question about him being alive after pretending to be dead for 10 years but why would 15 reporters be outside the hospital waiting to hear his announcement if he's not someone famous?! He's just a man. I know this is a tv show and they can come out with this and all but seriously IMO it doesn't make sense at all
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Post by solveig on Jan 13, 2014 0:54:23 GMT -5
Ooh, I totally forgot. This seriously bothered me a lot because for me this doesn't make any sense. Correct me if I'm wrong, but last time I checked Vincent isn't a celebrity or a politician, is he? So I get the police would ask question about him being alive after pretending to be dead for 10 years but why would 15 reporters be outside the hospital waiting to hear his announcement if he's not someone famous?! He's just a man. I know this is a tv show and they can come out with this and all but seriously IMO it doesn't make sense at all I think the media interest could be explained by the fact that Tori was involved - she would be the one with "celebrity status", being the daughter of a billionnaire and all, and I guess the media would be interested in interviewing the man who saved her life (since Tori and Vincent were going to tell at least part of the truth, on Catherine's suggestion).
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Post by Vincent Keller on Jan 13, 2014 0:56:57 GMT -5
Ooh, I totally forgot. This seriously bothered me a lot because for me this doesn't make any sense. Correct me if I'm wrong, but last time I checked Vincent isn't a celebrity or a politician, is he? So I get the police would ask question about him being alive after pretending to be dead for 10 years but why would 15 reporters be outside the hospital waiting to hear his announcement if he's not someone famous?! He's just a man. I know this is a tv show and they can come out with this and all but seriously IMO it doesn't make sense at all I 100% thought the same thing. No one would be there and no one would care. It might make a blurb on page 239843298423 of his neighborhood newspaper. "Local War Vet Back to Life". Reporters? TV? I was like WTH
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Post by crazyforbatb_has season 3 on Jan 13, 2014 0:58:00 GMT -5
Could be because of the Tori connection. Wasn't her dad some big shot around town. When things and incidents happen in real life the press are there. We had a tragic mugging in our city and politicians were on scene with hordes of media and media were all over local residents too. It happens. Maybe Tori arranged it for some purpose or reason that we may find out about later
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Post by solveig on Jan 13, 2014 0:59:42 GMT -5
Could be because of the Tori connection. Wasn't her dad some big shot around town. When things and incidents happen in real life the press are there. We had a tragic mugging in our city and politicians were on scene with hordes of media and media were all over local residents too. It happens. Maybe Tori arranged it for some purpose or reason that we may find out about later I think we both had the same idea
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Post by sunshine978 on Jan 13, 2014 1:01:20 GMT -5
>:DI thought this was the most ridiculously written episode so far! Just proved absolutely that the only purpose for Tori to be a red-headed female and that destructive (to the fandom) kiss in Guess Who's Coming to Dinner was just to inflame we fans. There was no need for her character to be female to continue this ludicrous mythology plot promise! It seemed to me that the writers said "OK...that's enough of this downward spiral....now...Alakazam!!! Poof...all better!" Ridiculous! I completely agree with you! Fans were told that Tori 'has a story to tell'...I kept hearing that for a few months now and the producers kept saying that fans should give her a chance. But from what I'm learning, her purpose could have been done by anyone else, like a man, NOT necessarily a young female!
By the way, THAT KISS is what drove me away! There was NO need for it whatsoever!
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Post by solveig on Jan 13, 2014 1:07:21 GMT -5
>:DI thought this was the most ridiculously written episode so far! Just proved absolutely that the only purpose for Tori to be a red-headed female and that destructive (to the fandom) kiss in Guess Who's Coming to Dinner was just to inflame we fans. There was no need for her character to be female to continue this ludicrous mythology plot promise! It seemed to me that the writers said "OK...that's enough of this downward spiral....now...Alakazam!!! Poof...all better!" Ridiculous! I completely agree with you! Fans were told that Tori 'has a story to tell'...I kept hearing that for a few months now and the producers kept saying that fans should give her a chance. But from what I'm learning, her purpose could have been done by anyone else, like a man, NOT necessarily a young female!
By the way, THAT KISS is what drove me away! There was NO need for it whatsoever! Regarding that kiss, sometimes I have the impression that the writers are living in an alternate reality or something. I remember watching an interview about the changes in season 2, in which either Jennifer or Sherri mentioned "multiple love triangles" with a smile on her face, like it was the best idea ever and absolutely everyone was going to l-o-v-e it. In his interviews, Brad Kern also seemed to be delighted with his ideas for the show. I wonder if they ever pay any attention to the substantial feedback that fans have been giving them. It would be great if they would do that and admit that some of their new ideas for the show were not so brilliant after all and didn't work...
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Post by sunshine978 on Jan 13, 2014 1:30:59 GMT -5
Epic love this is not. I don't really care about the mythology. Shows start doing that and get really weird. I agree with you about the mythology - it really does get weird and messy and confusing..... I like shows that are based in reality for the most part.
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Post by VinCat❤Destined on Jan 13, 2014 1:39:53 GMT -5
>:DI thought this was the most ridiculously written episode so far! Just proved absolutely that the only purpose for Tori to be a red-headed female and that destructive (to the fandom) kiss in Guess Who's Coming to Dinner was just to inflame we fans. There was no need for her character to be female to continue this ludicrous mythology plot promise! It seemed to me that the writers said "OK...that's enough of this downward spiral....now...Alakazam!!! Poof...all better!" Ridiculous! I completely agree with you! Fans were told that Tori 'has a story to tell'...I kept hearing that for a few months now and the producers kept saying that fans should give her a chance. But from what I'm learning, her purpose could have been done by anyone else, like a man, NOT necessarily a young female!
By the way, THAT KISS is what drove me away! There was NO need for it whatsoever! That's why I always said that 'if' it wasn't for that KISS..You may not have liked Tori anyway but you wouldn't have been so outrage of her being around..Okay she's annoying but still tolerable.
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Post by sunshine978 on Jan 13, 2014 1:56:58 GMT -5
I completely agree with you! Fans were told that Tori 'has a story to tell'...I kept hearing that for a few months now and the producers kept saying that fans should give her a chance. But from what I'm learning, her purpose could have been done by anyone else, like a man, NOT necessarily a young female!
By the way, THAT KISS is what drove me away! There was NO need for it whatsoever! Regarding that kiss, sometimes I have the impression that the writers are living in an alternate reality or something. I remember watching an interview about the changes in season 2, in which either Jennifer or Sherri mentioned "multiple love triangles" with a smile on her face, like it was the best idea ever and absolutely everyone was going to l-o-v-e it. In his interviews, Brad Kern also seemed to be delighted with his ideas for the show. I wonder if they ever pay any attention to the substantial feedback that fans have been giving them. It would be great if they would do that and admit that some of their new ideas for the show were not so brilliant after all and didn't work... Funny you mention the interviews with Sherri Cooper and Jennifer Levin, but I have noticed that too and I always wondered why they seemed so 'giddy' about nonsensical and trashy love triangles in what is supposed to be a sweet love story. I absolutely hate to see their interviews because of that. That's probably why we've gotten so much juvenile dialogue and behaviour (in my opinion).
For the life of me, I don't understand why they would think that anyone who watches a show entitled "The Beauty and the Beast" would EVER anticipate and be thrilled about love triangles in this love story! I chose to watch this show because I NEVER anticipated love triangles and from what I've been reading on message boards, a lot of people did as well.
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Post by beastiegirl.happy.puppy on Jan 13, 2014 2:02:41 GMT -5
I watched it, read all these posts & came to the grand conclusion that we do see things very differently.
I liked this episode. IMO, the story had good flow & a lot of good info. Catherine finally voices that she's felt a connection with Vincent. Then she spends the rest of the episode trying to convince herself that she's finally over him. My heart broke for JT when he finally talks about the guilt he feels for getting Vincent involved with M. I'm glad that it was Tess he told & her reaction to it. I feel this will strengthen their relationship.
It was very interesting to see the interaction between Catherine & Tori! Hopefully we'll get to see them interact again in Tori's remaining episodes. Especially with Vincent to witness it. If that doesn't knock sense into him, nothing will. They are total polar opposites. They were like a Tag Team, quite humorous. They wore down Vincent about going to the Hospital & coming out of hiding. He didn't stand a chance!
This was the first episode, ever, that I actually liked Gabe. What I saw was a man sincerely trying to atone for past actions, without any ulterior motives. My gut feeling is that he genuinely likes & respects Catherine. IMO, he is acting as a true friend would.
The mythology introduction was well done. I find Tori to be very good at being irritating. And IMO, she does serve a genuine purpose in several ways. I'm really looking forward to "Ancestors".
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Post by sunshine978 on Jan 13, 2014 2:10:03 GMT -5
I completely agree with you! Fans were told that Tori 'has a story to tell'...I kept hearing that for a few months now and the producers kept saying that fans should give her a chance. But from what I'm learning, her purpose could have been done by anyone else, like a man, NOT necessarily a young female!
By the way, THAT KISS is what drove me away! There was NO need for it whatsoever! That's why I always said that 'if' it wasn't for that KISS..You may not have liked Tori anyway but you wouldn't have been so outrage of her being around..Okay she's annoying but still tolerable. Exactly! I would NOT have been so outraged and I would have definitely tolerated Tori if it wasn't for that dreadful kiss!But it's the writers who didn't give Tori a chance because of how they introduced her to the story. They got people so riled up and turned off from the Tori arc that many can't see beyond that unnecessary kiss. They made fans dislike her now, so many may not want to hear her story because she has been used as a plot device. Those in charge made some VERY VERY poor deicisions. I would have gladly supported the Tori arc IF she had kept her lips to herself. But it completely turned me off and I just don't feel the same way about Vincent anymore. You really have to wonder about those in charge!
I still can't get over the poor decisions they've made! And didn't we go through this with the Alex arc?!?! So I'd like to know what happened, why did they make the same bad decisions KNOWING how fans would feel/react?! I hope that someone asks Sherri or Jennifer that question as I would to know why.
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