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Post by ArwenFan on Mar 14, 2014 12:07:25 GMT -5
Question for everyone. Since when does SWAT come with an arresting officer persistently knocking on a door instead of barging in? That, to me, means a different kind of arrest.....beast knowledge. I have never been arrested, but have watched my share of police shows, and this arrest was different. According to my husband (a cop), it actually depends on what kind of warrant was issued. If the judge issued a no-knock warrant, the police can just storm in without knocking. Otherwise, they are supposed to knock first, unless there are some other extenuating circumstances (for example, if they hear someone screaming for help inside).
Bottom line, this time the writers did their research.
ETA: Whether or not to yell "Police! Open up!" might be a legal requirement that varies by state. If you're storming in without knocking, then you are supposed to identify yourself as a cop, but if you're knocking and in uniform, they'll know you're a cop as soon as they open the door. My husband says entry largely depends on the situation. Pounding on the door and yelling "police" is a good way to alert a violent suspect that he can shoot you through the door, though.
Plus Catherine is a NYPD detective. Maybe they were also extending "professional courtesy."
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2014 13:44:01 GMT -5
According to my husband (a cop), it actually depends on what kind of warrant was issued. If the judge issued a no-knock warrant, the police can just storm in without knocking. Otherwise, they are supposed to knock first, unless there are some other extenuating circumstances (for example, if they hear someone screaming for help inside).
Bottom line, this time the writers did their research.
ETA: Whether or not to yell "Police! Open up!" might be a legal requirement that varies by state. If you're storming in without knocking, then you are supposed to identify yourself as a cop, but if you're knocking and in uniform, they'll know you're a cop as soon as they open the door. My husband says entry largely depends on the situation. Pounding on the door and yelling "police" is a good way to alert a violent suspect that he can shoot you through the door, though.
Plus Catherine is a NYPD detective. Maybe they were also extending "professional courtesy." Good point. Yay!!! You are no longer grumpy,
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Post by ArwenFan on Mar 14, 2014 13:58:08 GMT -5
That's the reason why many of us haven't "bought" Gabe's full redemption in s2 and why we were "wth"!! when Catherine decided to accept him as a love interest. He may have "changed" superficially speaking, willing to help, becoming part of the "team", etc... but I'm pretty sure he made a deal with Reynolds because both of them had a shared interest: Catherine. As much as both Reynolds and Gabe, maybe have "good" intentions towards Catherine (protecting her and/or having a relationship with her) they BOTH use the wrong way. They are not respecting Catherine's will and choices, and in Gabe's case, he's using Reynolds need to protect her in his own interest. Yes, he may want to protect her, but also for very selfish intentions! He wants Catherine for himself! The way he was desperately trying to convince Cat that he was better with him than with V, he was "threatening" Vincent to stay away from Catherine... It is pretty obvious that he's not concerned for Catherine's happiness but his own! So, as much as I felt pity for him during ep 16 for like a 2 seconds, I wouldn't say that Gabe's situation is the same like Evan's. Evan was a good man at heart, was ignorant of all the "beast" related stuff and, as most people, was scared for Catherine. Again he made the mistake of not trusting Catherine's judgment but, in his case, I could understand him. And once he met Vincent and witnessed how he (beast or man) was willing to help them and protect her, he accepted V was good for C and even sacrificed himself!!! Do you see Gabe doing so?, NO WAY! The funny thing about Gabe is that he seems not to be aware that many of his evil acts in the past were not made by his beast side but his human side... Maybe if he had some more introspective about himself he would figure it out and shut up before threatening others and trying to be the "knight in shining armor" for Catherine!! Gabe is also a hypocrite. All of a sudden Vincent is bad for Catherine and Vincent will hurt Catherine? Where is this coming from when he had an up close and personal view of their relationship in Season 1? Even before he met Vincent, he knew that "the beast" acted as a protector where Catherine was concerned. Later, Gabe recognized the deep connection between them not to mention the bond of love. He knew that Vincent was a rational, reasonable, decent human being, and even when he had beasted out, he wasn't a mindless, brutal creature. Vincent remembered what he did. I will give Gabe a pass on being concerned when Vincent returned, but it should be obvious to him that Vincent has recovered completely. If he thought Vincent was incapable of controlling himself (i.e. dangerous) why would he constantly get in Vincent's face to provoke him and make demands where Catherine is concerned? Whatever Gabe's feelings and/or motives are where Catherine is concerned, they don't feel pure, altruistic or loving. In a lot of ways he is making the same mistake Evan did in not trusting Catherine's judgment, failing to acknowledge that she is a capable, independent grown woman who doesn't need or want Gabe's protection. Gabe is underestimating Catherine and Vincent to his detriment.
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Post by ArwenFan on Mar 14, 2014 13:59:33 GMT -5
Plus Catherine is a NYPD detective. Maybe they were also extending "professional courtesy." Good point. Yay!!! You are no longer grumpy, All it took was getting VinCat back.
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Post by Savana_ Dying for season3! on Mar 14, 2014 14:04:14 GMT -5
That's the reason why many of us haven't "bought" Gabe's full redemption in s2 and why we were "wth"!! when Catherine decided to accept him as a love interest. He may have "changed" superficially speaking, willing to help, becoming part of the "team", etc... but I'm pretty sure he made a deal with Reynolds because both of them had a shared interest: Catherine. As much as both Reynolds and Gabe, maybe have "good" intentions towards Catherine (protecting her and/or having a relationship with her) they BOTH use the wrong way. They are not respecting Catherine's will and choices, and in Gabe's case, he's using Reynolds need to protect her in his own interest. Yes, he may want to protect her, but also for very selfish intentions! He wants Catherine for himself! The way he was desperately trying to convince Cat that he was better with him than with V, he was "threatening" Vincent to stay away from Catherine... It is pretty obvious that he's not concerned for Catherine's happiness but his own! So, as much as I felt pity for him during ep 16 for like a 2 seconds, I wouldn't say that Gabe's situation is the same like Evan's. Evan was a good man at heart, was ignorant of all the "beast" related stuff and, as most people, was scared for Catherine. Again he made the mistake of not trusting Catherine's judgment but, in his case, I could understand him. And once he met Vincent and witnessed how he (beast or man) was willing to help them and protect her, he accepted V was good for C and even sacrificed himself!!! Do you see Gabe doing so?, NO WAY! The funny thing about Gabe is that he seems not to be aware that many of his evil acts in the past were not made by his beast side but his human side... Maybe if he had some more introspective about himself he would figure it out and shut up before threatening others and trying to be the "knight in shining armor" for Catherine!! Gabe is also a hypocrite. All of a sudden Vincent is bad for Catherine and Vincent will hurt Catherine? Where is this coming from when he had an up close and personal view of their relationship in Season 1? Even before he met Vincent, he knew that "the beast" acted as a protector where Catherine was concerned. Later, Gabe recognized the deep connection between them not to mention the bond of love. He knew that Vincent was a rational, reasonable, decent human being, and even when he had beasted out, he wasn't a mindless, brutal creature. Vincent remembered what he did. I will give Gabe a pass on being concerned when Vincent returned, but it should be obvious to him that Vincent has recovered completely. If he thought Vincent was incapable of controlling himself (i.e. dangerous) why would he constantly get in Vincent's face to provoke him and make demands where Catherine is concerned? Whatever Gabe's feelings and/or motives are where Catherine is concerned, they don't feel pure, altruistic or loving. In a lot of ways he is making the same mistake Evan did in not trusting Catherine's judgment, failing to acknowledge that she is a capable, independent grown woman who doesn't need or want Gabe's protection. Gabe is underestimating Catherine and Vincent to his detriment. Arwenfan, I don't know if you like knowing spoilers but if you do, you should check the general spoilers thread
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Post by Bill the beast on Mar 14, 2014 14:48:05 GMT -5
The funny thing about Gabe is that he seems not to be aware that many of his evil acts in the past were not made by his beast side but his human side... I don't use the term "altruism" to try to explain anything; it doesn't really have meaning. Either everyone always seeks the outcome they prefer or else they really ought to. I would not want either Catherine or Vincent to sacrifice their love; I want them to fulfill it. If the writers concocted a situation where one of them had to sacrifice, renounce or give up, I would find it bitter and contrived and I would stop watching the series. Here is what really bothers me about Gabe. At the NY Comic Con 2013 Jennifer Levin said we have to trust Gabe, he's a "born-again human". And yet none of us can do that. The fact that Catherine was able to resurrect his human side doesn't convince us that side is trustworthy. I found it interesting to contrast Vincent with all other Beasts we've seen. Vincent is the man who can "turn on" beast powers when he needs them. Even at his worst, he was a person who used his beast-side. But Gabe (S1) was a true Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde. When he was a Beast, he had no memory or power of reason. But, interestingly, when he is a man, he has no heightened senses, no abilities other than normal. It explains his view of Beasts. What Vincent can do is not real to him. So here is what bothers me about Gabe the human. He was a "predator"; his human-side was a killer too. I'm not sure why that characteristic would leave him when the Beast died; it is more a matter of moral choice. This season his being controlling, manipulative or moralistic are just minor ways that dark side is manifested. As far as who got Vincent arrested? It was either Gabe or the remnants of the secret society ("just the tip of the iceberg") - or maybe they are the same thing?
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Post by ArwenFan on Mar 14, 2014 15:11:17 GMT -5
Gabe is also a hypocrite. All of a sudden Vincent is bad for Catherine and Vincent will hurt Catherine? Where is this coming from when he had an up close and personal view of their relationship in Season 1? Even before he met Vincent, he knew that "the beast" acted as a protector where Catherine was concerned. Later, Gabe recognized the deep connection between them not to mention the bond of love. He knew that Vincent was a rational, reasonable, decent human being, and even when he had beasted out, he wasn't a mindless, brutal creature. Vincent remembered what he did. I will give Gabe a pass on being concerned when Vincent returned, but it should be obvious to him that Vincent has recovered completely. If he thought Vincent was incapable of controlling himself (i.e. dangerous) why would he constantly get in Vincent's face to provoke him and make demands where Catherine is concerned? Whatever Gabe's feelings and/or motives are where Catherine is concerned, they don't feel pure, altruistic or loving. In a lot of ways he is making the same mistake Evan did in not trusting Catherine's judgment, failing to acknowledge that she is a capable, independent grown woman who doesn't need or want Gabe's protection. Gabe is underestimating Catherine and Vincent to his detriment. Arwenfan, I don't know if you like knowing spoilers but if you do, you should check the general spoilers thread Hey, Savana. No do spoilers. I like the surprise element.
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Post by Savana_ Dying for season3! on Mar 14, 2014 15:12:45 GMT -5
Arwenfan, I don't know if you like knowing spoilers but if you do, you should check the general spoilers thread Hey, Savana. No do spoilers. I like the surprise element. That's a great decision! I wish I was strong like you!
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Post by Sayuri_happy_4_s3 on Mar 14, 2014 18:42:18 GMT -5
Hey, Savana. No do spoilers. I like the surprise element. That's a great decision! I wish I was strong like you! Yeah, me too!!
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Post by Windflwr on Mar 14, 2014 19:52:47 GMT -5
Someone please help me. I may have missed it in this thread, but how exactly is Vincent getting arrested for Kurt Windsor's murder? What am I missing?? I get that most think Gabe is behind it, but is Gabe the one accusing him?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2014 20:02:47 GMT -5
Someone please help me. I may have missed it in this thread, but how exactly is Vincent getting arrested for Kurt Windsor's murder? What am I missing?? I get that most think Gabe is behind it, but is Gabe the one accusing him? Check spoiler threads.
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Post by Windflwr on Mar 14, 2014 20:08:37 GMT -5
Someone please help me. I may have missed it in this thread, but how exactly is Vincent getting arrested for Kurt Windsor's murder? What am I missing?? I get that most think Gabe is behind it, but is Gabe the one accusing him? Check spoiler threads. Arghh. Trying to avoid that. Okay, I guess I'll have to wait and see... Thx!
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Post by crazyforbatb_has season 3 on Mar 14, 2014 20:19:29 GMT -5
Arghh. Trying to avoid that. Okay, I guess I'll have to wait and see... Thx! If you don't want the spoiler thread - the answer I am going to give will do as it is not a spoiler cause it is something you can figure out for yourself. Gabe said to Catherine in the car, "I won't let Vincent hurt you." And we all know he is p.o big time about losing out to Vincent, right? So, if you don't want a spoiler you can still put 2 and 2 together and come up with 4. It is probably Gabe who ratted on Vincent based on what he said to Cat in the car
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2014 20:21:54 GMT -5
Arghh. Trying to avoid that. Okay, I guess I'll have to wait and see... Thx! You are a strong woman!
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Post by Windflwr on Mar 14, 2014 21:09:19 GMT -5
Arghh. Trying to avoid that. Okay, I guess I'll have to wait and see... Thx! If you don't want the spoiler thread - the answer I am going to give will do as it is not a spoiler cause it is something you can figure out for yourself. Gabe said to Catherine in the car, "I won't let Vincent hurt you." And we all know he is p.o big time about losing out to Vincent, right? So, if you don't want a spoiler you can still put 2 and 2 together and come up with 4. It is probably Gabe who ratted on Vincent based on what he said to Cat in the car But, I mean, how could he get away with it? How could he testify? He's guilty, too. The others present that night would hardly back him up - they would defend Vincent. Just doesn't sound "logical" to me, but oh well. I guess just the accusation gets him locked up, and that's the point. Thx.
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