Bunny21
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Post by Bunny21 on Nov 4, 2013 1:28:40 GMT -5
I thought V was quick to forgive Zach for attacking Cat. I found that irritating. Look how long it's taking for V to trust Cat and all of a sudden, one memory and Zach is a "good guy". I feel like the writers are neglecting JT and V's friendship. Yes, they had a movie night in this episode but V still doesn't remember him. The writers had V remember his entire friendship with Zach before he remembers even 1 memory of JT. Really? The look on JT's face. And then when V told JT he can go home, ugh! I get it's a small detail but really? I dunno, I need to rewatch it. Yes he was quick to seemingly forgive Zach I was slightly ticked off there. But I see it as V just getting his memories back so sudden, finding a new friend and wanting to reconnect and get more memories. Even when he slighted JT at the bar (not good V) I think he wanted to try and bond with Zach to gain more memories. I can only imagine how that feels to get a memory flash and just wanting to do whatever it takes to regain more memories. That's how I saw that scene. But more Vincent and JT time is necessary. I think they are purposefully having him remember Zach because he was the beast of the week and he had not have some initial conflict about killing him. I see your POV and when you look at it that way, showing initial conflict and that desire to gain more memories is part of his character development. I just wish he was that desperate to remember JT too.
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Post by DeadLikeWindsorJulz on Nov 4, 2013 1:32:05 GMT -5
Maybe to you it seems like the writers are trying to piece together a storyline, but to me, it seems like they are picking random crap, throwing it up on the screen, and then seeing what sticks. It is confusing, inconsistent, and leaves a person saying "Huh?" So finding out that Vincent was a firefighter at one point was 'inconsistent' and confusing? No, that fits right in with what we knew about him coming from a family of firefighters. Besides, that is a career choice, not a character trait. Last season, the show gave us an impression about what V was at his core - loyal and willing to sacrifice himself for others (they even made sure that Alex repeated "Vincent always does the right thing"); and some absolute facts - like he would never hurt Cat. They have now changed both of those this season. I just want them to stay true to SOMETHING they showed us before. I must admit, a large part of this reaction is another "here we go again". It is a reminder of the bad feelings left after the Alex arc. "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me" kind of thing. It feels like we've been here before. I thought they really attacked V's character traits then with how he treated Cat at the time. Now this is reminiscent - only now it is about how he treated Alex. I am officially "Once bitten, twice shy". Sorry for all the sayings used here, but they express what I am thinking the best.
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Post by kiki09 on Nov 4, 2013 1:34:55 GMT -5
So finding out that Vincent was a firefighter at one point was 'inconsistent' and confusing? I think it consistent, if all his brothers were firefighters, why did he follow in their footsteps? Cause that's what usually happens. Yes I agree but what I'm saying is that we were told in s1 that Vincent was a doctor before he joined the military. Now in season 2 we are given another tidbit and new info that he was a firefighter before he became a doctor. I don't know why finding out he was once a firefighter and now finding out that he had a fling with someone else is suddenly inconsistent. To me they both just feels like new info we didn't know about. Plus we had JT there to back it up. Not saying they introduced the info in the best way possible but I don't see a difference between both instances. Either way, a rewatch is in order.
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Post by beastiegirl.happy.puppy on Nov 4, 2013 1:36:01 GMT -5
Oh My!!! Our Little Beastie Show is all growed up!!! S02 just keeps getting better & better! It's tight, fast paced & before you know it, the hour is over. Even after reading some of the posts [that I really disagree with], I can't get the smile off my face! IMO opinion, Vincent is a total LOVE from beginning to end! The "warm fuzzies" just won't go away.
It's so interesting how people can interpret the same scene. OK, as I saw things: - Vincent comes through the window, hoping to trigger some "memories". Catherine is waiting for her friends, having a Pre-Reunion" girls night & sweetly tells him that she's taking a "Me time" & he should do the same by spending time with JT. "Don't sprain your ankle on the way down". - The Mayor is ragging on Gabe to solve "beast related cases". Catherine is trying to trace her birth father & has asked Gabe for help. Tess really needs to get laid so she'll stop with the Catherine/Gabe innuendos! Friend or not, it is none of her business! - Apparently, Catherine always went for "bad boys" who are now probably all in jail or re-hab. "The Projects, broken wings, shower them with love & try to save them." Sound familiar? JT & Vincent have quality time with the Snack Bowls. Zack shows up & attacks Catherine. Very nasty!! Catherine fights back, he jumps through her window when her friend comes in. - Gabe goes to JT's, says Catherine was attacked. Great Gabe scene, tries casual, friendly voice! Vincent goes "Flash Gordon" & is off hunting the beast! Finds him & beast-on-beast fight. Zack says they're friends. Vincent has flashbacks. - Catherine gets to JT's. Z & V arrive, Zack is all charming. The guys go out to Soldier Bar. Zack brings up Gabriella & won't let up, trying to trigger memories.. Vincent says, "thought I was engaged to someone named Alex". JT: "yeah, but you were going off to war & you & Alex sort of separated". JT feeling very uneasy. Vincent has flashbacks of Gabriella. Zack threatens him. At the Station: Reynolds at Gabe's office, heard Catherine was assaulted & wants to know she's OK. Says he promised her 'uhmm', father to look after her. Gabe tells him if he wants to help, can the FBI help find her birth father. Reynolds: "sure, see what I can do". At Reunion: - The Grad Class is collecting for a school pool. Catherine is told that every August her father gave a generous donation. Even after he died in July. Dum De Dum Dum!! Tess & Gabe show up. - Reynolds tells Vincent that Zack slaughtered Gabriella. He's on Hit List. Vincent thinks he can reach him, it's Muirfield's fault. Zack threatens to kill Catherine. Vincent comes to protect her. Keeps saying he's sorry. Zack [mascot suit] attacks Catherine. Vincent goes ballistic, beast-on-beast fight. Vincent snaps his neck. Scene at Stage: Vincent in Dr mode, since Catherine was knocked out. Another "I'm sorry, Catherine" speech. I could just hug him!!! Promises that when missions are over, he'll make it all up to her! Without her, he'd be lost like Zack! That kiss was Swoonworthy!!!! Loved how he closed his eyes!! - In hallway, Gabe asks Vincent "how's Catherine?" Vincent: "I think she'll be fine. But I'd keep an eye on her". Gabe: "Will do". I feel Vincent realizes Gabe has feelings for Catherine. No jealousy. - Catherine tells Gabe that she appreciates all he's done, shows Gabe old, school pictures. At her Grad, in the background is Reynolds! Catherine: "I think I just found my birth father".
Each episode has me wishing it was next Sunday so I could watch E06. This Season, BatB has become my addiction of choice!! I want more! It's like getting tangled in a web and I don't want to break free!
I loved everything about this episode! Even Tess couldn't spoil the magic. Catherine & Vincent's relationship is becoming one of trust, deep caring & appreciation of each other. They are both voicing their feelings & hopes for their future together. I'm starting to believe that one day Dr & Mrs Keller will be living in Colorado, with 3 kids and a dog! And Granddad Reynolds will be living down the street, babysitting on "Date nights"!!!
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Post by kiki09 on Nov 4, 2013 1:36:21 GMT -5
So finding out that Vincent was a firefighter at one point was 'inconsistent' and confusing? No, that fits right in with what we knew about him coming from a family of firefighters. Besides, that is a career choice, not a character trait. Last season, the show gave us an impression about what V was at his core - loyal and willing to sacrifice himself for others (they even made sure that Alex repeated "Vincent always does the right thing"); and some absolute facts - like he would never hurt Cat. They have now changed both of those this season. I just want them to stay true to SOMETHING they showed us before. I must admit, a large part of this reaction is another "here we go again". It is a reminder of the bad feelings left after the Alex arc. "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me" kind of thing. It feels like we've been here before. I thought they really attacked V's character traits then with how he treated Cat at the time. Now this is reminiscent - only now it is about how he treated Alex. I am officially "Once bitten, twice shy". Sorry for all the sayings used here, but they express what I am thinking the best. I see what you're saying. I agree with you to some extent.
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Post by sunshine978 on Nov 4, 2013 1:43:50 GMT -5
She's obviously not referring to everything that the writers are portraying but the storylines that ARE obviously inconsistent and confusing. In this episode, it sure was inconsistent because Vincent had supposedly left Alex without a word - he never officially broke up with her (according to Season 1), now we're hearing that they had taken a break and that's when he had this fling (trying to justify it. What's inconsistent too is his character - a man on integrity wouldn't just have a fling with another woman (and Gabriela apparently loved Vincent according to Zack) while still being engaged to another....Wasn't he out of character during the arc too.
All in all, I didn't like the episode. Don't like where they're going with this. Didn't like the love scene between Vincent and Gabriela, didn't like the end with Catherine and Gabe and didn't 'feel it' in the end when Vincent kissed CAtherine was saying nice things to her.
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Post by DeadLikeWindsorJulz on Nov 4, 2013 1:51:26 GMT -5
No, that fits right in with what we knew about him coming from a family of firefighters. Besides, that is a career choice, not a character trait. Last season, the show gave us an impression about what V was at his core - loyal and willing to sacrifice himself for others (they even made sure that Alex repeated "Vincent always does the right thing"); and some absolute facts - like he would never hurt Cat. They have now changed both of those this season. I just want them to stay true to SOMETHING they showed us before. I must admit, a large part of this reaction is another "here we go again". It is a reminder of the bad feelings left after the Alex arc. "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me" kind of thing. It feels like we've been here before. I thought they really attacked V's character traits then with how he treated Cat at the time. Now this is reminiscent - only now it is about how he treated Alex. I am officially "Once bitten, twice shy". Sorry for all the sayings used here, but they express what I am thinking the best. I see what you're saying. I agree with you to some extent. Thanks, I appreciate you listening to my POV. I have heard yours. I don't want to pick a fight. The shock of what was revealed tonight blew my mind. As I explained to spydancer, we all seem to have different ideas of what V and Alex's relationship was at the time he deployed. What it actually was makes a HUGE difference to me and how I react to this new info. If someone is "cheating" on a loved one back home, then yeah, I'm gonna be judgmental of that! That doesn't fit V's character as portrayed by the show in the past. That is my main sticking point with this part of the ep. That's all.
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Bunny21
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Post by Bunny21 on Nov 4, 2013 1:55:03 GMT -5
Maybe to you it seems like the writers are trying to piece together a storyline, but to me, it seems like they are picking random crap, throwing it up on the screen, and then seeing what sticks. It is confusing, inconsistent, and leaves a person saying "Huh?" So finding out that Vincent was a firefighter at one point was 'inconsistent' and confusing? Yes, in a way, V being a firefighter prior to being a doctor, feels like it was thrown in there. I mean how old is he now? He should realistically be in his 40s. So he went through pre-med (bachelors degree), dropped the doctor idea for a while to go to school and train to be a fireman. Then, he was a fireman for who knows how long. Then, he went to med school for another 4 years or so and was an ER resident for who knows how long. Then Afganistan and Murfield for how many years? Finally, JT said he has been covering his secret (as a beast) for 10 years? He looks great for 40s
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Post by anapi -season3baby :) on Nov 4, 2013 1:58:55 GMT -5
OK - I've been reading all comments, split views - more than any episode before probably. I did not even remember Alex and Vincent were on a break in season 1, and i thought I had watched the episodes many times lol, but apparently not! Will not properly comment on episode yet, need to re-watch because I have not decided what i think about it yet
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Post by DeadLikeWindsorJulz on Nov 4, 2013 2:00:48 GMT -5
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Post by pippin on Nov 4, 2013 2:02:38 GMT -5
I see what you're saying. I agree with you to some extent. Thanks, I appreciate you listening to my POV. I have heard yours. I don't want to pick a fight. The shock of what was revealed tonight blew my mind. As I explained to spydancer, we all seem to have different ideas of what V and Alex's relationship was at the time he deployed. What it actually was makes a HUGE difference to me and how I react to this new info. If someone is "cheating" on a loved one back home, then yeah, I'm gonna be judgmental of that! That doesn't fit V's character as portrayed by the show in the past. That is my main sticking point with this part of the ep. That's all. I still say we don't know what V was really like prior to being turned into a beast. Maybe one of those letters he wrote to Alex after he upped and left her without a word was that she should forget about him or they should break up cuz he was too messed up. At one point, Jay had talked about how we would find out during the Alex arc about Vincent having gotten into trouble with drugs and how Alex helped him during that period so it's not like the writers have thought of Vincent as this saintly guy prior to his beastification. Based on the show's timeline, Vincent was only in the army from Sept. 11 - June 2012 when he was "killed in action" but he still could have written her a dear Jane letter when he first arrived and then changed his mind. One thing the show has been consistent about as far as Vincent is concerned is his rash behavior.
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Post by curly on Nov 4, 2013 2:11:16 GMT -5
No, that fits right in with what we knew about him coming from a family of firefighters. Besides, that is a career choice, not a character trait. Last season, the show gave us an impression about what V was at his core - loyal and willing to sacrifice himself for others (they even made sure that Alex repeated "Vincent always does the right thing"); and some absolute facts - like he would never hurt Cat. They have now changed both of those this season. I just want them to stay true to SOMETHING they showed us before. I must admit, a large part of this reaction is another "here we go again". It is a reminder of the bad feelings left after the Alex arc. "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me" kind of thing. It feels like we've been here before. I thought they really attacked V's character traits then with how he treated Cat at the time. Now this is reminiscent - only now it is about how he treated Alex. I am officially "Once bitten, twice shy". Sorry for all the sayings used here, but they express what I am thinking the best. I see what you're saying. I agree with you to some extent. I have to be honest I am more shocked about Cat's attitude towards Vincent in this episode. Granted she knows its not his fault but she is obviously fed up with beasts infringing on the simplest of things in her life. She treated him like a nuisance this whole episode IMO and complained while her friends pretty much cheered her on. The warm fuzzy ending from episode 4 is now where to be found. She jumped out of her skin when he was at the window,something she never did and basically excoriated him for not using the front door. That personally shocked me. Has he ever. I saw this as the beginning of the end or at least that is what they want us to think and they want us to think that Gabe is a viable option for her especially now that he is supposedly not a beast. They laid that on thick and I think if anything judging by Vincent looking at Gabe walk to "look after her" (something he can't do) he may just give her up thinking that is what she needs or wants or just deserves. He realized what she has given up. He said so and he was surprised by her feeling about having to put up with him. He may push her away. She was all nice to Gabe while Vincent is inviting trouble for her apparently which he realized to. She was pushing him away IMO . So I guess she could flirt with idea of a more suitable alternative now like with Gabe than to a life with a beast. She obviously wants to be sympathetic to Vincent but is so caught up in the drama. The relationship is off the rails. They both are going to have along way back. Im just nervous of the mistakes they will make that will put them in that position. This episode has me pessimistic. The only way they can make Cats relationship with Evan different than Gabe is if they actually make her semi-intrestested. IMO Yikes!!! The wedge is being created because Vincent is not himself and Cat doesn't know who she is either. It's the blind leading the blind. LOL
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Post by xokeren on Nov 4, 2013 2:18:36 GMT -5
I totally loved the episode. From start to end...
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Post by curly on Nov 4, 2013 2:22:36 GMT -5
I give Vincent a pass on the Gabriella thing. He was obviously young , single and didn't become friends with that guy until after he had a relationship with her and was already deployed. Is that how it went? How long did she hold off writing the guy to tell him that? A yr? After they met and became friends? Im confused????Guess they weren't that close at the time. If anything this storyline was a weak plot point and very forced IMO. I mean really this guy has been searching for him for 10 yrs over a girl. I guess I would be annoyed if I was Cat then. LOL
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Post by roar20 on Nov 4, 2013 2:24:08 GMT -5
Best moment for me was when kk was dancing... She's got some moves.
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