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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2014 8:13:13 GMT -5
Bill, there's quite a few on-line review sites that should fire their reviewers and hire you. You are way too kind. At least I can agree with the first part ... Not that I read all the reviews from all the reviewers, but I've noticed many of them resort to comic quips throughout their "reviews." I guess that's an indication of legitimate issues with the show, but also a lack of seriousness in their effort. New job description......"Operation Fake Reviewer." Now I've opened myself up for a reply regarding the comic quip and seriousness of my post. Dang!
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Post by crazyforbatb_has season 3 on Jul 4, 2014 11:50:04 GMT -5
Not a favourite episode for me. I expected a lot more from Jen/Sherri, but as some other posters have pointed out, maybe they have given up on trying to influence the direction and storyline of this show. I was expecting a darker and deeper slant to the penultimate episode. 2:20 however felt more like a sitcom to me. There was too much going on in too short of a time and too much back and forth dialogue. Where was the thread of mythology? That would have been a good lead up to the finale. The SL's were all over the place and no gravity was given to the serious issues (Heather's kidnapping; V giving himself up etc). Instead they are going all out Heather's bachelorette party! Heather too irritates the $!#2/! out of me and I hope TPTB find a useful and meaningful role for her in S3. She runs away from reality and tries not to think too deeply about anything. (alwayscrazed yr thoughts on Heather helped me try to make sense of what she does)
With the unsurity of more seasons and probably fan reaction, TPTB had to change S lines and condense things and that must have been difficult and frustrating but there is enough creative power combined for them to have done a better job.
On a side note - people have mentioned the fact that Heather did not report the kidnapping. Well maybe she thought no-one would believe her word against a powerful ADA and the witnesses aka the Fab 4 could not come forward for oobvious reasons.Heather knows V story now and maybe another reason she doesn't come forward is that she knows the danger that exposure might mean for her sister and V. All in all, not a favourite episode for me. I found the premise of a "fake date" rather lame and its' ecexution equally weak. KUDOS to the actors though, they always put there heart into whatever is given to them. I just think there needs to seriously be a new writing team and a well-thought out plotline without worrying about a fourth season. Tie up loose ends and story threads, give us stuff on Cat's mom, dad, past, mythology and make the finale open-ended so if there is a season 4 then it can easily transition from there. Sorry for my rant beasties. I just feel SL have deteriorated. However, having said all that, I will still support the show cause it is better on my t.v screen than not - big, ugly warts and all.lol
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Post by crazyforbatb_has season 3 on Jul 4, 2014 11:51:36 GMT -5
Oops, so busy ranting I got the ep wrong lol. Of course itis 2:21 and not 2:20
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Post by crazyforbatb_has season 3 on Jul 4, 2014 12:01:25 GMT -5
u I read this one and TV fanatic's post and I wonder if the reviewers (esp the last one) really really watchnthe show with care and insight or do they just rush through in order the get their review out. The premise of the story seems to get lost and they spout facts which are not correct. As already mentioned, read some of the comments elow the reviews, they correct misconceptions and erroneous facts and add interesting insights to each episode. Lol as soemone mentioned - operation "fake review."
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2014 12:17:19 GMT -5
Well I think they make a few good points about the writing. I agree the writing has not been great. Last year we had the same issues generally writing wise but they did great with the development of the vincat relationship and characters it was less erratic and random. I think I am inclined to write some sort of review of what ibthink needs improvement and send it to them. If it is constructive rather than negative they may take notice who knows. I and I am only saying that not to criticise the show but I genuinely think a few writing changes could just make it perfect. I love this idea, Anapi! Maybe this should be our next campaign!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2014 12:25:02 GMT -5
I am watching the France/Germany game, waiting for the main event-Colombia/Brazil....and although I am watching intently, I am still thinking BatB. I've been reading everyone's posts and trying to get my thoughts in order, an impossible task, even on the best of days ( I wish I were Bill)...but here are some of my thoughts on the subject, or perhaps they are on a totally different subject...but here they are-not very coherent, so bare with me. I really enjoyed OFD ( I love BatB and I love VinCat, and that is that), but once the dust settled, I realized that it left me feeling slightly unsettled. Despite all the things about the episode that worked for me, it also served to highlight many of the issues I've struggled with in S2. The VinCat scene on the balcony of Gabe's apartment (which I agree with Bill was just a little too short) made me realize how little true, profound and meaningful (self-)reflection has been a part of the main character's interactions. This is the biggest issue, for me anyways. The fake date itself brought the entire love triangles to the forefront in such an "in your face way" that simply served to point out, once again, how insulting it was for BK to tell us that Gabe was a good option for Catherine. We knew from S1 who Gabe was, the "fake redemption" storyline didn't fool us; so how could it possibly fool both Catherine and Vincent? I still shake my head in disbelief!!! Also, I am among the ones who are still asking: Who is Catherine Chandler? The verbs evolve, grow, develop have been used when speaking of the characters, specifically Catherine, but I'm not sure I would use any of those terms when I examine her journey this season. To evolve, to grow, one needs to be true to one's self, and, at the same time, be willing to examine one's self regularly as life tests us, and then do what is needed to stay true to who we are. Catherine has definitely changed, but for me, the jury is still out as to has she evolved? In this episode, for example, I had difficulty understanding her approach to the fake date...she was almost a little "teenageish": "he's obsessed with me" "I have power over him".... it wasn't so much what she said, it was more the way she said it. It was insensitive to Vincent's feelings and came off as being a bit flippant. It made we wonder: Have they really talked?...about her shooting him, about Tory, about Gabe (and there is a lot for them to talk about him-she spoke to Gabe about Vincent, why hasn't she spoken to Vincent about Gabe?-she should be beating herself up for being (intimate) with him); I don't think so, and all these things have a serious impact on where they are right now. It was all a little weird for me and not what I would expect of who I think CC is...maybe I've just had her wrong all along??? When I think back to Held Hostage, Catherine had a self-reflective conversation with Gabe, and, I thought, by George, she's figured it out,,,,she should be with no one right now...maybe date, but don't commit to anyone...take time to figure out where her heart is to put everything she has been living into perspective... In the episode, she said she wasn't angry at Vincent, she was angry at herself. She's supposed to be this strong independent woman who makes good judgement, how could she fall in love with someone like that, what does that say about her? That night she realized that she didn't fall in love with an ass, she isn't that screwed up. She also says she had absolutely no clue that she was unresolved.She says she's sorry to Gabe, that she just hasn't been on her own for so long, she doesn't know how long it's been. What happened by the next episode still eludes me..she wants to be with Gabe...so is she or isn't she a strong, independent woman??? Who is she??? For me, that has been a big failing this season. Perhaps it will all become clear in the last episode....and I'm really hoping that we get a few great conversations that last more than a minute or so.
I struggled with Tess at the beginning of the season, but the've figured her out, and she is back to being who she is while still growing as an individual.
Now JT is a character who has really evolved; he is the character, from my viewpoint, who has remained the truest to himself through both seasons, but who has had incredible growth. He has faced his guilt and spoken the truth to Vincent about signing him up for the experiments; he is the only character that has not been fooled by Gabe; he admits his feelings for Tess and dares to give that relationship a chance, although he often feels inadequate, but he wants it to work between them
Everyone has written about Vincent and his evolution, and I agree with what you have said....so that brings us back to Catherine...Yes, the writing has been a BIG problem this season; but I am still hopeful that the final episode will bring us closer to answering the question "Who am I?" in relation to her character.
All of this to say that what I miss most of Season 1 are the VinCat conversations; like in Worth, Seeing Red, Partners in Crime...to name a few-they haven't allotted enough time to the refection piece this season...I have high hopes for Season 3!!!!
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Post by pippin on Jul 4, 2014 15:47:52 GMT -5
Yes, I know you guys hate Gabe. But I like how Sendhil plays Gabe and I hate that they made him a love interest for Cat because on this show if you are a love interest for Cat or Vincent, you end up dead. That's so messed up. Do we know for sure that Alex is dead? Has she ever been mentioned again or is she like Tyler was for Gabe. LOL Out of sight out of mind I guess. At least Catherine remembered she had a real father up until episode 206 There was one thing I didn't like in this episode. Please writers just because people say that blondes are dumb, you don't need to say it in the show. I didn't like when Vincent kind of said that. He didn't use the word dumb but still I didn't like it. I didn't think he was referring to Cat as a dumb blond at that point, at least I hope he wasn't. I thought he was referring to the fact that Cat felt she could manipulate Gabe, and it was about the effect blondes seem to have on many men.
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Post by texasscotian on Jul 5, 2014 1:01:40 GMT -5
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Post by Savana_ Dying for season3! on Jul 5, 2014 10:21:42 GMT -5
I knew I had seen before the dress Catherine was wearing for her fake date with Gabe... Rings a bell? If I'm not wrong it's from Ancestors... No doubt why I didn't know exactly where I've seen it.. I haven't rewatched that episode at all!!!
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Post by kiki09 on Jul 5, 2014 11:12:31 GMT -5
I knew I had seen before the dress Catherine was wearing for her fake date with Gabe... Rings a bell? If I'm not wrong it's from Ancestors... No doubt why I didn't know exactly where I've seen it.. I haven't rewatched that episode at all!!! It''s not the same dress but quite similar. They both have similar detail and colouring. This is the one from 221:
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Post by Savana_ Dying for season3! on Jul 5, 2014 11:14:39 GMT -5
I knew I had seen before the dress Catherine was wearing for her fake date with Gabe... Rings a bell? If I'm not wrong it's from Ancestors... No doubt why I didn't know exactly where I've seen it.. I haven't rewatched that episode at all!!! It''s not the same dress but quite similar. They both have similar detail and colouring. This is the one from 221: ooops! you are right! thanks!!
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Post by BeastieBoy on Jul 5, 2014 11:57:52 GMT -5
I knew I had seen before the dress Catherine was wearing for her fake date with Gabe... Rings a bell? If I'm not wrong it's from Ancestors... No doubt why I didn't know exactly where I've seen it.. I haven't rewatched that episode at all!!! It''s not the same dress but quite similar. They both have similar detail and colouring. This is the one from 221: And her hair is done up very similar too, pony tail. You both have great attention to detail.
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Post by kiki09 on Jul 5, 2014 12:05:59 GMT -5
It''s not the same dress but quite similar. They both have similar detail and colouring. This is the one from 221: And her hair is done up very similar too, pony tail. You both have great attention to detail. Lol thanks. I am a bit obsessed with the way they style the characters in the show and the way they style her hair.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2014 12:17:07 GMT -5
I knew I had seen before the dress Catherine was wearing for her fake date with Gabe... Rings a bell? If I'm not wrong it's from Ancestors... No doubt why I didn't know exactly where I've seen it.. I haven't rewatched that episode at all!!! Omg its funny you say that because while rewatching 2x21 last night I was like 'Wait a minute. Isn't that the same dress C wears in Ancestors?' But once I checked it wasn't. Very similar though
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Post by BeastieBoy on Jul 5, 2014 12:32:56 GMT -5
For a "dress up" event, I'd expect the wardrobe people to have a new dress for Cat every time. It would be very sad if the budget for the show got so bad that they would reuse the same dress!
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