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Post by dina on Jun 22, 2015 15:41:36 GMT -5
I guess the whole theme of the show is, that they don't have time for each other.. this means like every other season that they are gonna hit us with something good. Because technically even though they are together, theres still all this craziness thats keeping them apart, and you know how the BATB writers love taking their time with VinCat.
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Post by rose on Jun 22, 2015 16:09:29 GMT -5
I just finished watching the episode and I think they are getting better and better. l liked Bob and Caro. I thought they brought in a fresh spin to the story. I didn't really see the holes that I read about earlier. I think the dry and well dressed Bob and Caro after they had just been in the water to set up the bomb can easily be explained for people who had come by prepared for their mission with all their gear. As for the explosion as someone who do not know much about explosives and directionality I can believe anything as long as there is a blast.
I agree that in season 3 Vincat relationship has matured and moved on from where it was in season 1 & 2 and new story lines are necessary to move the story forward as they have gone past the will they, won't they get together stage and we are now seeing them transition into a stage were they are working together as a team and so far I like the direction this is taking and if they wanted to have many seasons they could come up with all sorts of story lines for them.
I was also intrigued that JT has his own story line and so has Tess. I am excited to see what's next.
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Post by ebeline on Jun 22, 2015 16:50:08 GMT -5
I really think all theses opinions/reviews are because we all want to see something different within the show and because we keep comparing all seasons to each other. As much as I loved S1 VinCat this VinCat I feel like is more mature and more of an adult relationship. They are progressing exactly how I imagined they would. And as much as I loved S1 VinCat, I wouldn't want to go back, they have come so far and I don't think I'd want to see Vincent being all self loathing and feeling sorry for himself 24/7 and if you think about it a lot of those swoon worthy lines stemmed from Vincent's insecurities. You could tell he loved her but felt like he didn't deserve her, even after they got together. I couldn't imagine this Vincent saying some of those lines. The lines we have gotten, I feel are words & actions that would be said by a couple that is this far into their relationship. And he gives me goosebumps every time he calls Cat "Babe". That chemistry is still very much alive and fullfilling. And this show still stands out to above all the rest no matter where it takes us. If any other actors were playing these parts, it wouldn't work, even S1 wouldnt have worked. That chemistry is what makes it & they have that regardless of the circumstances that play out on our screens. And that's why keeps me coming back is because that chemistry in all shapes & forms is like drug to me lol. I really enjoyed 303, and where it's heading the storyline, I'm so intrigued by it. I've never since this show started been intrigued really by the storyline, the chemistry is what intrigued me, but I feel very fortunate and happy that finally I'm getting both! It feels great. I have read all the comments and try to figure out how I could explain my view of this ep. Jefferen I couldn't said it better I totaly agree with you. VinCat S 3 for me, I said it before is a couple with an other level, like you've said they are matured. And yes the chemistry is still alive and that is the most important
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Post by ArwenFan on Jun 22, 2015 18:15:17 GMT -5
Truthfully, not very much to say about this episode. Where is the passion of last season? I mean, yeah, I hated huge chunks of last season when first viewed, but at least I FELT something. Last night's episode reminded me of angel food cake. A lot of chewing (i.e. total waste of energy) for so little payoff (i.e. no taste). Beyond 301, I haven't truly FELT anything so far (if you exclude annoyance). What's up with that?! P.S. Where do I know the actor playing Bob from? anapi -season3baby :) - Pretty much onboard with your major complaint. Dragging Vincat down to the level of the "normal couple," is (for me) killing a huge part of the Vincat mystique. I don't want to see them dealing with mundane issues, that's not why I watch TV and certainly not why I watch BATB. I don't ever remember carrying on with a spouse about conflicting hours. You make it work and keep it moving, usually without a lot of drama. I don't find the conversations about scheduling and wedding details amusing or entertaining. Sorry, I don't. Cat would make a lovely bride and Vincent always takes my breath away in a tux, but what I saw last night was just. too. much. For these two people, it should be as romantic and as unique as they are. Wedding on the rooftop with only JT and Tess in attendance? I'm good. I didn't mention Heather because I'd want someone to drop kick her off the roof. Which brings me to: if the last two episodes are how they plan to use Heather, I will barely maintain my sanity for the remainder of the SHORT season. I'm overdosing on cutesy-ness that feels very contrived. I am TIRED of Heather. Seriously. tonysol - "How do two strong willed independent characters learn to live together blissfully, yet maintain their individual identities as well?" But they are failing miserably at this. The situations they are trying to manage aren't what I expected. They are too ordinary; maybe if I was one who got excited about all things weddings, I'd think Heather's antics were cute, but I'm not and I don't. The idea that Vincat would push their wedding 6 weeks out (as if that would magically give them time to spend together) is ludicrous and insulting to an adult audience. I'm not sure why, but I wasn't thrilled that the houseboat was blown up. Bob & Carol felt like every other spy couple to me except they weren't particularly cunning? stealthy? good at deception? This is why putting couples together usually fails. TPTB take everything that sizzled about them and drown it. We all agree that these leads can turn up the heat with very little effort, but the engagement has sucked all the spice out of Vincat. Vincent called Catherine "Cat" again and I almost threw something at my computer. I'm glad I didn't have to see (or hear) any of the following: Cat talking Vincent down. Cat wielding the gem effect. (Although I will say that Cat giving Vincent permission to beast out didn't make me happy either. ) Rebecca & Alistair. Could have done without seeing: Heather barging into the Chandler/Keller apartment. Vincent lives there. Why does this pain still have a key? JT being a victim again. Liked: Tess interviewing for the captain position. That was awesome. Vincent falling asleep on Cat and his do-over on the roof. I will try to watch this again, but I don't feel moved to. (And I never thought I'd say that again.)
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Post by lovebatb on Jun 22, 2015 20:22:25 GMT -5
One thing is for sure: we beasties will never be satisfied! Because we have so many expectations.... But I am enjoying season 3 and I agree that Vincat relantionshpi is in another level. I just think a very important element still missing: drama, real drama. That's why I think we didn't have any epic, strong, passionate moment yet.... But I have faith, I feel we are gonna have it in one ir two episodes! Let's cross our fingers!
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Post by mocha83 on Jun 22, 2015 21:02:05 GMT -5
a few points... Opening scene I kinda went in with this sinking feeling the episode would feel like a repeat of 3.2, but I held on and continued to hold my applause until the end. lol I appreciated it for its continuity in showing VinCat trying to adjust to their new surroundings; living together, working different shifts. Jun 22, 2015 16:41:36 GMT -4 dina said: I guess the whole theme of the show is, that they don't have time for each other.. this means like every other season that they are gonna hit us with something good. Because technically even though they are together, theres still all this craziness thats keeping them apart, and you know how the BATB writers love taking their time with VinCat.Yes, so when they can't have a peaceful moment alone together. They have to utilize the time they do get together. Even when they are high on alert, fighting off the bad guys. That's what keeps them together. That's what makes them stronger; better together than they are apart. Except for when they have day jobs. LOL V falling asleep cause he worked over. I really have to get used to V coming through the door and not just coming in from the fire escape. So it seems that Cat let V sleep in on the couch while she went off to work. And in pops Heather, she knocked how many times before entering? After this, no more Veather surprise moments like that. Operation: Adjust to home life. There was one point where Cat was about to throw in the towel. She thought she was getting in over her head aligning with Bob & Carol. It was back into the thick of things they went. Tess reminded Cat that she had a high calling and that she and V should stick to it. This time the momentum was was great, i had no complaints there. The suspense was kept steady and it kept me watching. Now this is the type of episode I'd like to see more of; exactly like this one, minus some hiccups. I liked when V attempted to redo their romantic evening the next night on the roof. I was feeling VinCat, then chaos interruptus again. Comes with the territory. The whole boathouse scene was confusing me. Most importantly when Bob and Carol detinated the bomb on the bottom of the boat.. Wouldn't you think V would hear that beeping going off, since his senses are more hightened and more sensitive than the average person? But the plot rolls on and that's where they lost me, I just kept going back to how V should have heard that detinator. lol I sense the shift of most imortant people in Cat's life is really affecting Heather. lol She understands but as much as Heather wants to be the doting sister and help Cat plan her wedding since she doesn't have one to plan. Me thinks Heather is trying to preoccupy herself since her break up with IForgotHisName. I actually like Bob and Carol, please stick around a little longer. LOL On the quickness of going from wet to dry in record time. Yes, very unsettling to this viewers' eyes. JT is catching on that the (what-heck-was-in-that-thing) serum he got is not just any serum. His wounds healed quicker then normal and he's not so normal anymore. Captain + Tess = (When you get the answer to this let me know.) As much as I would like nothing better than to root for Tess, please remind me of she has to show for being a top contender for Captain. Another transitional episode with lots of movement going forward. Oh yeah, no Cat talking V or any beast off a ledge. That's probably why i enjoyed it better than expected. I give this a solid 9 out of 10.
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Post by pippin on Jun 23, 2015 0:35:45 GMT -5
It's Vincent. For a moment there I thought Bob was really going to shoot Cat and I thought: "Oh no, not again!" But it seems Bob and Carol need to capture Vincent, maybe to bring back to their boss as a peace offering, since they screwed up the clean up job regarding Agent Thomas. So conceivably Vincent may be captured next week (this is pure speculation, folks, not a spoiler) and Cat and the rest of the Scooby Gang will have to rescue him. Let's hope the episode ends with a proper VinCat "I thought I'd lost you" epic make out session! I was actually hoping he would shoot Cat. Wouldn't that add a little drama? Of course doesn't add too much since common sense says they can't kill her off in the third episode of the season but would be a chance for Vincent to show more concern for Cat's well being. At least he asked her if she was ok after the boat exploded. Last week neither of them seemed to show any concern for the other after they got blown into the wall by Alton. Is it Vincent they needed to catch? I think the writers would have had Carol say his name, but with these writers maybe not. But doesn't catching Vincent imply that he is on the run not working at the hospital where he is easily found and they could just go and tranq him. I thought they were trying to ad to the mystery of who they can't return empty handed to and what they are after. I guess the fact they are together, I mean live in the same flat and try to live a normal life makes them a little less spicy.This is the risk to put VinCat in this situation, be engaged and fall into the routine and as a result loose a bit passion, intensity... I like the episode as a whole and I am ok with wedding stuffs, i think we had to go through it but not too long. I just hope they will move forward to something with more dangers and intrigues that will push them to re-prove and reassert their incredible connection like you said. fully agree. i am hopeful too - lets see what happens. maybe the councillor sorts them out lol but we need more danger and more longing. more passionate moments. they need to remember who they are and what is important to them - and their chemistry needs to shine through Can you have longing if your couple is together or any real danger when we already know what happens at the end of the season and are getting spoilers for the next? Also I don't think it helps that between season 1 and season 2, the show has basically removed any real challenges to VinCat. They solved the sex problem in one episode, he doesn't have to hide, he can have a job, Heather knows everything, and now apparently he doesn't have to worry about beasting out unless he wants to?
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Post by anapi -season3baby :) on Jun 23, 2015 1:32:00 GMT -5
It's Vincent. For a moment there I thought Bob was really going to shoot Cat and I thought: "Oh no, not again!" But it seems Bob and Carol need to capture Vincent, maybe to bring back to their boss as a peace offering, since they screwed up the clean up job regarding Agent Thomas. So conceivably Vincent may be captured next week (this is pure speculation, folks, not a spoiler) and Cat and the rest of the Scooby Gang will have to rescue him. Let's hope the episode ends with a proper VinCat "I thought I'd lost you" epic make out session! I was actually hoping he would shoot Cat. Wouldn't that add a little drama? Of course doesn't add too much since common sense says they can't kill her off in the third episode of the season but would be a chance for Vincent to show more concern for Cat's well being. At least he asked her if she was ok after the boat exploded. Last week neither of them seemed to show any concern for the other after they got blown into the wall by Alton. Is it Vincent they needed to catch? I think the writers would have had Carol say his name, but with these writers maybe not. But doesn't catching Vincent imply that he is on the run not working at the hospital where he is easily found and they could just go and tranq him. I thought they were trying to ad to the mystery of who they can't return empty handed to and what they are after. fully agree. i am hopeful too - lets see what happens. maybe the councillor sorts them out lol but we need more danger and more longing. more passionate moments. they need to remember who they are and what is important to them - and their chemistry needs to shine through Can you have longing if your couple is together or any real danger when we already know what happens at the end of the season and are getting spoilers for the next? Also I don't think it helps that between season 1 and season 2, the show has basically removed any real challenges to VinCat. They solved the sex problem in one episode, he doesn't have to hide, he can have a job, Heather knows everything, and now apparently he doesn't have to worry about beasting out unless he wants to? i agree, the writers need to get their act together... there is no real sense of danger etc... maybe we are lucky this time and they are building up to sth big...we will find out soon i guess
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Post by ragulr25 on Jun 23, 2015 3:39:48 GMT -5
I was actually hoping he would shoot Cat. Wouldn't that add a little drama? Of course doesn't add too much since common sense says they can't kill her off in the third episode of the season but would be a chance for Vincent to show more concern for Cat's well being. At least he asked her if she was ok after the boat exploded. Last week neither of them seemed to show any concern for the other after they got blown into the wall by Alton. Is it Vincent they needed to catch? I think the writers would have had Carol say his name, but with these writers maybe not. But doesn't catching Vincent imply that he is on the run not working at the hospital where he is easily found and they could just go and tranq him. I thought they were trying to ad to the mystery of who they can't return empty handed to and what they are after. Can you have longing if your couple is together or any real danger when we already know what happens at the end of the season and are getting spoilers for the next? Also I don't think it helps that between season 1 and season 2, the show has basically removed any real challenges to VinCat. They solved the sex problem in one episode, he doesn't have to hide, he can have a job, Heather knows everything, and now apparently he doesn't have to worry about beasting out unless he wants to? i agree, the writers need to get their act together... there is no real sense of danger etc... maybe we are lucky this time and they are building up to sth big...we will find out soon i guess imo i think bob and carol r also after the big bad . maybe the big bad is the one who left some secret org to make more mutants . also i think we may gotta have a close look on jt storyline. somehow my gut tells the big bad might want jt powers .
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Post by Ilaria on Jun 23, 2015 3:59:01 GMT -5
I want to address a special thought to the houseboat. Wherever you are, you gave us two unforgettable moments in the history Vincat.
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Post by francesca on Jun 23, 2015 4:20:41 GMT -5
I want to address a special thought to the houseboat. Wherever you are, you gave us two unforgettable moments in the history Vincat. sorry I recall the one with Vincent in his bathrobe ending with those incredible kisses and much more. but which is the second?
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Post by Laura on Jun 23, 2015 4:30:30 GMT -5
I want to address a special thought to the houseboat. Wherever you are, you gave us two unforgettable moments in the history Vincat. sorry I recall the one with Vincent in his bathrobe ending with those incredible kisses and much more. but which is the second? Kidnapped I guess - 2x02
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Post by francesca on Jun 23, 2015 4:38:55 GMT -5
yess of course!!! what a silly question. please forgive my ignorance.
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Post by Laura on Jun 23, 2015 6:28:16 GMT -5
I really think all theses opinions/reviews are because we all want to see something different within the show and because we keep comparing all seasons to each other. As much as I loved S1 VinCat this VinCat I feel like is more mature and more of an adult relationship. They are progressing exactly how I imagined they would. And as much as I loved S1 VinCat, I wouldn't want to go back, they have come so far and I don't think I'd want to see Vincent being all self loathing and feeling sorry for himself 24/7 and if you think about it a lot of those swoon worthy lines stemmed from Vincent's insecurities. You could tell he loved her but felt like he didn't deserve her, even after they got together. I couldn't imagine this Vincent saying some of those lines. The lines we have gotten, I feel are words & actions that would be said by a couple that is this far into their relationship. And he gives me goosebumps every time he calls Cat "Babe". That chemistry is still very much alive and fullfilling. And this show still stands out to above all the rest no matter where it takes us. If any other actors were playing these parts, it wouldn't work, even S1 wouldnt have worked. That chemistry is what makes it & they have that regardless of the circumstances that play out on our screens. And that's why keeps me coming back is because that chemistry in all shapes & forms is like drug to me lol. I really enjoyed 303, and where it's heading the storyline, I'm so intrigued by it. I've never since this show started been intrigued really by the storyline, the chemistry is what intrigued me, but I feel very fortunate and happy that finally I'm getting both! It feels great. I totally agree with you that we all want to see different things and different directions. However, I think despite the fandom’s different views, we can all agree that there’s one thing that initially got us all hooked on BatB; and that’s VinCat (broken record here, again ). I have said it so many times before, that BatB is very much a character/relationship show. I’m quite sure people don’t watch this show for its action-packed episodes, mystery, amazing cinematography, whatnot. I mean, there are far better produced shows if you’re only interested in action and brilliantly choreographed fight scenes, or great detective stuff and cases, and such. That’s why I believe they should have kept that element as the focal point of the show. Okay in all fairness, they have, to some extent, but that's not enough. Yes, season one is definitely my favorite – both BatB & VinCat wise. But I’m not hung up on it. I don’t want it “back”, because I believe copy-pasting will definitely ruin the show – any show, that is. I do understand the relationship has changed since then, it had to, right? No one would want to see their favorite TV couple in a stagnant situation. However, I don’t like the way they have written this new version of VinCat. It feels like their relationship has gone stale, in a way. What makes me keep watching and coming back is what both actors do with VinCat – as you mentioned, their chemistry. Although I do believe the show has become neglectful of this, but that’s another story, and I’m not willing to get into that discussion. What I am trying to say is, season one, despite all its flaws & weaknesses, laid the foundation (and a somewhat solid one at that) for future seasons. I don’t think they used that opportunity well enough. I see season two as a trial run for the (then) new team, and naturally I expected them to have found the right balance by now (meaning season 3). I see people on Twitter saying so long as there’s no love triangle, they won’t complain about anything. I have a huge problem with that. In parentheses, I think it was yet another wasted opportunity last season, and IF written & executed well, would have helped the characters fulfill the season’s thematic goal and also would've helped us as viewers to understand things better. I also read posts saying the only thing show is lacking now are sex scenes like the ones in season one. I certainly don’t think so. Yes, I would love to see such scenes again, but I am also okay without them. The jail scene in 2x17, for instance, works a hundred times better for me than any sex scenes. That is not what I miss (again, I welcome everything VinCat with open arms). Lack of creativity, mediocre writing (which has been the biggest issue since season one, but then there were other things to distract me from it), repetitive lines, the occasional out-of-character disposition, etc. are my issues. We are currently in season three, and Catherine & Vincent (both individually and as a couple) have come a long way since their first real encounter in the pilot. Of course change is bound to happen; of course there need to be elements added/removed to propel the show forward. But I think in doing so, they took away what appealed to me most in the first place. I am still a very passionate Beasite, mind you, and follow the show & all things BatB religiously, but I wish they had stayed true to the nature of the show, and what made BatB the drug we all willingly take. I didn’t like 3x03. I didn’t hate it, but I didn’t like it either. And that’s not how I want to feel when BatB is concerned. I don’t want to feel indifferent after an episode; I want to “feel” something; I need that overwhelming compulsion to re-watch an episode right after the first round back. I won’t bore you guys with what I (don’t) want to see, as anapi -season3baby :) has already written them. Oh and one more thing, irrelevant to this post though. I don’t understand this (ongoing) insistence on tweeting positive stuff all the time, regardless of our true opinion. I see semi-private conversations where people talk about things they like/dislike quite vocally, but then the same people tweet the writers/producers, complementing and praising them for the very things they didn’t like really. This, I believe, gives the team the wrong idea. Anyway, looking forward to 3x04
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Post by anapi -season3baby :) on Jun 23, 2015 6:51:04 GMT -5
I really think all theses opinions/reviews are because we all want to see something different within the show and because we keep comparing all seasons to each other. As much as I loved S1 VinCat this VinCat I feel like is more mature and more of an adult relationship. They are progressing exactly how I imagined they would. And as much as I loved S1 VinCat, I wouldn't want to go back, they have come so far and I don't think I'd want to see Vincent being all self loathing and feeling sorry for himself 24/7 and if you think about it a lot of those swoon worthy lines stemmed from Vincent's insecurities. You could tell he loved her but felt like he didn't deserve her, even after they got together. I couldn't imagine this Vincent saying some of those lines. The lines we have gotten, I feel are words & actions that would be said by a couple that is this far into their relationship. And he gives me goosebumps every time he calls Cat "Babe". That chemistry is still very much alive and fullfilling. And this show still stands out to above all the rest no matter where it takes us. If any other actors were playing these parts, it wouldn't work, even S1 wouldnt have worked. That chemistry is what makes it & they have that regardless of the circumstances that play out on our screens. And that's why keeps me coming back is because that chemistry in all shapes & forms is like drug to me lol. I really enjoyed 303, and where it's heading the storyline, I'm so intrigued by it. I've never since this show started been intrigued really by the storyline, the chemistry is what intrigued me, but I feel very fortunate and happy that finally I'm getting both! It feels great. I totally agree with you that we all want to see different things and different directions. However, I think despite the fandom’s different views, we can all agree that there’s one thing that initially got us all hooked on BatB; and that’s VinCat (broken record here, again ). I have said it so many times before, that BatB is very much a character/relationship show. I’m quite sure people don’t watch this show for its action-packed episodes, mystery, amazing cinematography, whatnot. I mean, there are far better produced shows if you’re only interested in action and brilliantly choreographed fight scenes, or great detective stuff and cases, and such. That’s why I believe they should have kept that element as the focal point of the show. Okay in all fairness, they have, to some extent, but that's not enough. Yes, season one is definitely my favorite – both BatB & VinCat wise. But I’m not hung up on it. I don’t want it “back”, because I believe copy-pasting will definitely ruin the show – any show, that is. I do understand the relationship has changed since then, it had to, right? No one would want to see their favorite TV couple in a stagnant situation. However, I don’t like the way they have written this new version of VinCat. It feels like their relationship has gone stale, in a way. What makes me keep watching and coming back is what both actors do with VinCat – as you mentioned, their chemistry. Although I do believe the show has become neglectful of this, but that’s another story, and I’m not willing to get into that discussion. What I am trying to say is, season one, despite all its flaws & weaknesses, laid the foundation (and a somewhat solid one at that) for future seasons. I don’t think they used that opportunity well enough. I see season two as a trial run for the (then) new team, and naturally I expected them to have found the right balance by now (meaning season 3). I see people on Twitter saying so long as there’s no love triangle, they won’t complain about anything. I have a huge problem with that. In parentheses, I think it was yet another wasted opportunity last season, and IF written & executed well, would have helped the characters fulfill the season’s thematic goal and also would've helped us as viewers to understand things better. I also read posts saying the only thing show is lacking now are sex scenes like the ones in season one. I certainly don’t think so. Yes, I would love to see such scenes again, but I am also okay without them. The jail scene in 2x17, for instance, works a hundred times better for me than any sex scenes. That is not what I miss (again, I welcome everything VinCat with open arms). Lack of creativity, mediocre writing (which has been the biggest issue since season one, but then there were other things to distract me from it), repetitive lines, the occasional out-of-character disposition, etc. are my issues. We are currently in season three, and Catherine & Vincent (both individually and as a couple) have come a long way since their first real encounter in the pilot. Of course change is bound to happen; of course there need to be elements added/removed to propel the show forward. But I think in doing so, they took away what appealed to me most in the first place. I am still a very passionate Beasite, mind you, and follow the show & all things BatB religiously, but I wish they had stayed true to the nature of the show, and what made BatB the drug we all willingly take. I didn’t like 3x03. I didn’t hate it, but I didn’t like it either. And that’s not how I want to feel when BatB is concerned. I don’t want to feel indifferent after an episode; I want to “feel” something; I need that overwhelming compulsion to re-watch an episode right after the first round back. I won’t bore you guys with what I (don’t) want to see, as anapi -season3baby :) has already written them. Oh and one more thing, irrelevant to this post though. I don’t understand this (ongoing) insistence on tweeting positive stuff all the time, regardless of our true opinion. I see semi-private conversations where people talk about things they like/dislike quite vocally, but then the same people tweet the writers/producers, complementing and praising them for the very things they didn’t like really. This, I believe, gives the team the wrong idea. Anyway, looking forward to 3x04 Wow Word!
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