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Post by anapi -season3baby :) on Jul 21, 2015 1:27:06 GMT -5
Rooftop chats and romance are nice .but if it's done all the time then I'm sure you guys would be 'oh the rooftop scene again' ...Everything that is repeated gets boring....I like the fact that they find time for each other in different places...Cafe in The Most Dangerous Beast, the couch with the candles and fireplace at apartment and whatever. The point is that rooftops are special and we know what that will signify eventually in the end of s3 In ep 1 we began on roof and ended on roof.... episode 3 Vincent had wine and the wedding planner and the apology on the roof ..obviously hinting how special the roof is to both...good things come to those who wait. Patience is a virtue and unlike many I am willing to wait. Also the end of the series is near..I want to cherish every moment we get with these two great actors and characters which have stole my heart the last 4 seasons i don't think Laura was referring to the actual physical setting really though i think she used that metaphorically... i have no option but wait (because of how much I have loved this show I cannot just switch off and will be there till the end) but this is not how it should be .. i should be getting a good storyline and great moments from the start... that is what a good show does
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Post by anapi -season3baby :) on Jul 21, 2015 1:28:12 GMT -5
Rooftop chats and romance are nice .but if it's done all the time then I'm sure you guys would be 'oh the rooftop scene again' ...Everything that is repeated gets boring....I like the fact that they find time for each other in different places...Cafe in The Most Dangerous Beast, the couch with the candles and fireplace at apartment and whatever. The point is that rooftops are special and we know what that will signify eventually in the end of s3 I think this is in answer to my post? Yolie, I said "like" their roof top moments, where things felt more real, mature, raw. Of course all their moments can't happen there. Believe me, I do get that It's not the setting really, but what goes on and gets said in such scenes. lol sorry - i saw your post after i typed mine
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2015 3:00:10 GMT -5
LOL not directed at your really but everyone in general that has been writing the same thing... I get you really but I'm loving this season ... I guess again my expectations are lower then you guys. VinCat❤Destined as you can see by my post I'm loving this season too. And yes I'm sad that there are so many critics about this season (so I'm glad we had already a S4) but I don't think to have lower expectation, maybe different ones. What the other loved the most in S1 I did not like for example (I'm not for heartbreaking dialogs: in ep 6 KK was great but if it wasn't for her I would find all those mother things boring); I think Cat is written in a more correct way this season than before, she was too equilibrate and under controll after all that happened to her, she has an unresolved rage that prevent her to live her moment (VinCat moment) in the best way. I prefer too this storyline instead of the "beast of the week" of last season coz you know that when there will be a greater danger it will require all the character to be on the same page to win (and at the beginning of S3 they aren't). More, I think that leads have improved their way of acting (with a wider range of expression... maybe they are trying to show their ability independently from what will be of BATB) and filming is better.
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Post by Chymere on Jul 21, 2015 3:33:58 GMT -5
anapi -season3baby :) -thought the episode was ok but tired of watching episodes that give me no feels
Funny how I had got chills in the promo, I like it more than the whole 3X07. Honestly this really make me sad! - too many i love u's from cat which i did not really care about...or fully believe
Agree! I noticed that too! It was as if suddenly you gave candies to a child deprived for too long and went makes him sick to eat candies overmuch! It was the same for me in "heart of matter" with the intertwined fingers three times in a row cause of a bad edit. Of course I love these Words in their (yep! + twice for V better used) mouth but with parsimony, this is what makes the magic and we believe in it! - enough with all the wedding talk ... really we are going round in circles and circles and circles repeating same lines and talking about stuff that dont really matter again and again...
Yep! I can believe we are in 3.07 and it's like this is the most importante story line of the show at the expense of the plot of real baddie... ·· K å t ·· I agree with almost all your point except the beast side of Cat I actually liked it! Another thing I noticed in a repetitive way is that this episode was written by Vanessa Rojas like 3x20 Ever after and the beginning does not take place in the same place but the process was the same! Vincent that pops up in the back of catherine...and they leave the area hurriedly! As I already said I enjoy the most the whole eloping scenes and when V was semi unconscious.
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Post by raniamahd on Jul 21, 2015 4:18:14 GMT -5
finally catch up the episodes i missed due to the crazy time of the year for me ! and again i am among the minority here because not only i like the episode but i really enjoying the whole S3 till now ! again maybe that is because i don't compare it to S1 ---( why should i) ? well i could even take the episodes which some of you could consider them so boring over the whole S2 including the good episodes any time --- and that is not just because the meaningless outofplace triangles ! it just how i feel ! so this ep even if not perfect like ep6 but it still very good itself without comparison --- that doesn't mean i don't have any negative remarks about it ? which i am ok with btw because you can't reach the perfection every single episode of every season of any serie no matter what ! so for example : i don't like the repeating of some things ( again ) ! i don't like that now they oversay ( i love you ) to eachother (i can't believe i just thought and wrote that lol ) but i don't want it to turn to something people say out of habit without even meaning it either ! i don't like losing the progress Cat made last episode to go back to that state again ! --- although i like watching her losing it like she did this ep and in ep 2/21 , because that makes her get off her high horse and know that not only a beast like Vincent could loss it but even the very normal human can loss it and cause damage which can't be controlled ! it also force her to look inside her and face her issues ! i am so glad Tess broke up with JT ! but maybe not because the same reasons most of you do ! i know those who don't ship them , do that because the lack of chemistry between them --- but for me i don't ship them because i don't think she deserve him ! i confess i never like her since the beginning ! sleeping with her married boss didn't put her in my favorite characters list ! it made me question her morals and believe she is selfish (sorry to her fans) therefore i never thought she deserve some one so selfless , loyal , kind , devoted like JT -- but even so i believe she is selfish i never thought she could be that selfish ?!!! why exactly did she break up with him again ? oh yeah because he doesn't care about her job or put her first ! her job ? she means the job he convinced her to apply for in the first place ? because he believes in her even more than her family and want to support her ! --- and put her first over what exactly ? oh yeah over their best friends and innocent people life ! did Cat always put Vincent first ? hell NO ! she didn't put him first over her principle or her believes ! she even shoot him because of that --- and he always refuses to ask her to put him over what matters to her in life like her sister in S1 --- but Tess wants someone puts her first over everything and just let others and the whole world go to hell ! i just want to know why on earth she think she deserve that ?! --- i think she doesn't deserve JT or any other good man if that matter (wow she and Gabe would be a perfect match for eachother lol) now i hope she , her precious job , her selfishness and her egoism live happily ever after ! unfortunately i know that won't happen ! and it would be JT who will make the whole effort to get her back and sacrifice every thing to satisfy her highness' ego ! poor JT i don't know why they insist to put them together in the first place ?! they don't even have any chemistry ! hell JT has much more chemistry with Heather than with Tess ! really it is just because he is old for Heather i don't ship them together , if it isn't for that i would ship them together in a heart beat ! they both so funny ( are you ok ? i don't know i never have been beaten before lol ) can't wait for next ep which i know would be very dramatic from spoilers , therefore i would come prepare
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Post by anapi -season3baby :) on Jul 21, 2015 6:03:27 GMT -5
finally catch up the episodes i missed due to the crazy time of the year for me ! and again i am among the minority here because not only i like the episode but i really enjoying the whole S3 till now ! again maybe that is because i don't compare it to S1 ---( why should i) ? well i could even take the episodes which some of you could consider them so boring over the whole S2 including the good episodes any time --- and that is not just because the meaningless outofplace triangles ! it just how i feel ! so this ep even if not perfect like ep6 but it still very good itself without comparison --- that doesn't mean i don't have any negative remarks about it ? which i am ok with btw because you can't reach the perfection every single episode of every season of any serie no matter what ! so for example : i don't like the repeating of some things ( again ) ! i don't like that now they oversay ( i love you ) to eachother (i can't believe i just thought and wrote that lol ) but i don't want it to turn to something people say out of habit without even meaning it either ! i don't like losing the progress Cat made last episode to go back to that state again ! --- although i like watching her losing it like she did this ep and in ep 2/21 , because that makes her get off her high horse and know that not only a beast like Vincent could loss it but even the very normal human can loss it and cause damage which can't be controlled ! it also force her to look inside her and face her issues ! i am so glad Tess broke up with JT ! but maybe not because the same reasons most of you do ! i know those who don't ship them , do that because the lack of chemistry between them --- but for me i don't ship them because i don't think she deserve him ! i confess i never like her since the beginning ! sleeping with her married boss didn't put her in my favorite characters list ! it made me question her morals and believe she is selfish (sorry to her fans) therefore i never thought she deserve some one so selfless , loyal , kind , devoted like JT -- but even so i believe she is selfish i never thought she could be that selfish ?!!! why exactly did she break up with him again ? oh yeah because he doesn't care about her job or put her first ! her job ? she means the job he convinced her to apply for in the first place ? because he believes in her even more than her family and want to support her ! --- and put her first over what exactly ? oh yeah over their best friends and innocent people life ! did Cat always put Vincent first ? hell NO ! she didn't put him first over her principle or her believes ! she even shoot him because of that --- and he always refuses to ask her to put him over what matters to her in life like her sister in S1 --- but Tess wants someone puts her first over everything and just let others and the whole world go to hell ! i just want to know why on earth she think she deserve that ?! --- i think she doesn't deserve JT or any other good man if that matter (wow she and Gabe would be a perfect match for eachother lol) now i hope she , her precious job , her selfishness and her egoism live happily ever after ! unfortunately i know that won't happen ! and it would be JT who will make the whole effort to get her back and sacrifice every thing to satisfy her highness' ego ! poor JT i don't know why they insist to put them together in the first place ?! they don't even have any chemistry ! hell JT has much more chemistry with Heather than with Tess ! really it is just because he is old for Heather i don't ship them together , if it isn't for that i would ship them together in a heart beat ! they both so funny ( are you ok ? i don't know i never have been beaten before lol ) can't wait for next ep which i know would be very dramatic from spoilers , therefore i would come prepare even though i obviously had issues with season 2, i still preferred many of the season 2 episodes over some season 3 episodes (not all of course, but some)
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Post by raniamahd on Jul 21, 2015 6:44:06 GMT -5
even though i obviously had issues with season 2, i still preferred many of the season 2 episodes over some season 3 episodes (not all of course, but some) and some people could even prefer S2 over S1 ! even the episodes almost the whole viewers hated ! --- i think its normal and good too to have variety opinions and feeling about the show , or about anything in general ! its why imho BATB have steady fan basic , because we can't agree on parts we all like and others we all hate ! but that disagreement make us know for sure that in the end everyone of us would found something to like and a reason to keep watching to the end , right ? -- otherwise we may all abandon the show when things got really ugly at S2 ! i don't say i hate S2 completely , there are some episodes in my favorite list of the show in general , may even come first before some of S1 eps , but still in general i am enjoying watching S3 much more , why ? i can't exactly figure it out ! i am not used to analyze my feeling , it the way its with my either i like something or not , end of the story ! i don't take much time to think of the reasons or analyze except of course when i try to write a review here even than i don't usually success !
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Post by anapi -season3baby :) on Jul 21, 2015 6:47:53 GMT -5
even though i obviously had issues with season 2, i still preferred many of the season 2 episodes over some season 3 episodes (not all of course, but some) and some people could even prefer S2 over S1 ! even the episodes almost the whole viewers hated ! --- i think its normal and good too to have variety opinions and feeling about the show , or about anything in general ! its why imho BATB have steady fan basic , because we can't agree on parts we all like and others we all hate ! but that disagreement make us know for sure that in the end everyone of us would found something to like and a reason to keep watching to the end , right ? -- otherwise we may all abandon the show when things got really ugly at S2 ! i don't say i hate S2 completely , there are some episodes in my favorite list of the show in general , may even come first before some of S1 eps , but still in general i am enjoying watching S3 much more , why ? i can't exactly figure it out ! i am not used to analyze my feeling , it the way its with my either i like something or not , end of the story ! i don't take much time to think of the reasons or analyze except of course when i try to write a review here even than i don't usually success ! agreed - remembering your s2 posts I think u had a major issue with the triangles lol u were very passionately against them not that i can blame u - those triangles were pretty lame
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Post by raniamahd on Jul 21, 2015 6:59:28 GMT -5
and some people could even prefer S2 over S1 ! even the episodes almost the whole viewers hated ! --- i think its normal and good too to have variety opinions and feeling about the show , or about anything in general ! its why imho BATB have steady fan basic , because we can't agree on parts we all like and others we all hate ! but that disagreement make us know for sure that in the end everyone of us would found something to like and a reason to keep watching to the end , right ? -- otherwise we may all abandon the show when things got really ugly at S2 ! i don't say i hate S2 completely , there are some episodes in my favorite list of the show in general , may even come first before some of S1 eps , but still in general i am enjoying watching S3 much more , why ? i can't exactly figure it out ! i am not used to analyze my feeling , it the way its with my either i like something or not , end of the story ! i don't take much time to think of the reasons or analyze except of course when i try to write a review here even than i don't usually success ! agreed - remembering your s2 posts I think u had a major issue with the triangles lol u were very passionately against them not that i can blame u - those triangles were pretty lame don't remind me ! because i am enjoying living in denial and pretend those meaningless completely unattractive triangles never ever happened --- feelings aren't always rationale , logical or justified ! -- but as i said till now i enjoy S3 more than S2 and not just because of the triangles ! again i don't exactly know why ! it just how i feel ! and i am a woman -- so i am allowed to have those kind of unjustified , unreasonable , unknown feelings , right ?
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Post by kiki09 on Jul 21, 2015 7:00:21 GMT -5
alwayscrazedbatbfan"So "both sides now" then must refer to the fact that there are actually TWO ultimate big bads trying to compete to perfect the serum? So is this the corporation that WANTS to capture Vincent or kill him, thinking he works for the other corporation?" I think "both sides now" refers to Vincent/Cat and Tess/JT. Both couples were on opposite sides of an issue. With Vincat it was the way they got married. Vincent wants a real wedding with Cat in a gown and him in a tux reciting their vows before family and friends. Cat has been skittish about the wedding since the beginning. She wants a simple wedding without a lot of fuss. Even though she never actually said so, it was pretty clear that she would have been good with eloping. Tess is feeling the pressure of her job and trying to be on Team Vincat. She wants her concerns acknowledged and her well-being put first. JT saw the danger and urgency of Vincat's situation as a priority and was totally preoccupied with solving the puzzle. Tess feels that she can't compete nor should she have to compete with the Vincent/JT bond. I get the feeling that she resents the mythological epic-ness of Vincat and it's pull on JT. The episode ends with Catherine finally understanding why Vincent feels the way he does, and wanting the type of wedding he's been pushing for as well. And yes, Vincent is a romantic. Tess wants JT to put her first and she breaks up with him because she doesn't think he can do that. [ I agree with what you said about Tess. I think she regrets knowing the whole situation with Vincent & being apart of this mythological story. Tess is very self absorbed & sometimes I think she rather stick her head in the sand & hope it all goes away then actually deal with it. Personally, I don't think Tess is self-absorbed. I think from the very beginning that she didn't want this kind of life but all the people she loves and cares about are heavily involved in it and so she became a part of it, very reluctantly. I don't mind that one of the characters isn't as 'all in' as the rest. I think it adds contrast and layers to the characters and their interactions. Tess is the outlier, and whether she likes it or not she will be dragged into their problems and deal with their issues, especially since these are the people she cares about. Tess probably needs to go on her own journey and truly decide how to balance it all.
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Post by anapi -season3baby :) on Jul 21, 2015 7:35:17 GMT -5
[ I agree with what you said about Tess. I think she regrets knowing the whole situation with Vincent & being apart of this mythological story. Tess is very self absorbed & sometimes I think she rather stick her head in the sand & hope it all goes away then actually deal with it. Personally, I don't think Tess is self-absorbed. I think from the very beginning that she didn't want this kind of life but all the people she loves and cares about are heavily involved in it and so she became a part of it, very reluctantly. I don't mind that one of the characters isn't as 'all in' as the rest. I think it adds contrast and layers to the characters and their interactions. Tess is the outlier, and whether she likes it or not she will be dragged into their problems and deal with their issues, especially since these are the people she cares about. Tess probably needs to go on her own journey and truly decide how to balance it all. I agree. And who is entirely selfless after all? She (I feel) has already done quite a lot for cat and others. This is a crazy situation that dictates all their lives. I know if I was them I would have real issues dealing with the situation. And I can understand how Tess must be feeling.
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Post by kiki09 on Jul 21, 2015 8:50:38 GMT -5
^ Exactly anapi -season3baby :). And I don't think it's a bad thing that one of them actively wants a life outside all of the madness. I feel like her character is the constant reminder that there is real life outside of the madness.
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Post by Laura on Jul 21, 2015 9:41:19 GMT -5
Personally, I don't think Tess is self-absorbed. I think from the very beginning that she didn't want this kind of life but all the people she loves and cares about are heavily involved in it and so she became a part of it, very reluctantly. I don't mind that one of the characters isn't as 'all in' as the rest. I think it adds contrast and layers to the characters and their interactions. Tess is the outlier, and whether she likes it or not she will be dragged into their problems and deal with their issues, especially since these are the people she cares about. Tess probably needs to go on her own journey and truly decide how to balance it all. Totally agree. In this episode, her reasons for breaking up with JT were pretty valid in my opinion. Yes, we love it that JT always rushes to help VinCat, but he has (or rather had) a girlfriend now to whom he is committed. Tess has already helped them a lot, and even now, she's risking her captaincy in a way too. I don't blame her if she wants JT to get his priorities straight (even though I love how wonderful a friend he is). But thinking of it from her viewpoint, she needs her boyfriend to be there for her, and to show that he actually cares about her and their relationship. And yes, I had said it before that I like it that Tess is not always Team VinCat (I also loved it when JT wasn't Team Cat in early season one); she doesn't have to be. This beast stuff is not her main concern. As you said, Tess's character constantly reminds us (and maybe the Three Musketeers) that there actually is a world outside.
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Post by pippin on Jul 21, 2015 9:44:24 GMT -5
Personally, I don't think Tess is self-absorbed. I think from the very beginning that she didn't want this kind of life but all the people she loves and cares about are heavily involved in it and so she became a part of it, very reluctantly. I don't mind that one of the characters isn't as 'all in' as the rest. I think it adds contrast and layers to the characters and their interactions. Tess is the outlier, and whether she likes it or not she will be dragged into their problems and deal with their issues, especially since these are the people she cares about. Tess probably needs to go on her own journey and truly decide how to balance it all. I agree. And who is entirely selfless after all? She (I feel) has already done quite a lot for cat and others. This is a crazy situation that dictates all their lives. I know if I was them I would have real issues dealing with the situation. And I can understand how Tess must be feeling. Tess sort of reminded me of where Vincent was earlier this season. Both of them are in new jobs and have partners whose willingness to get involved and help others disrupts and threatens their new position and life they are trying to live.
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Post by kiki09 on Jul 21, 2015 10:04:35 GMT -5
^ So true. I saw a parallel between Vincat and JT and T in that regard. JT didn't pick up on Tess's cues that she needs him to put her first as opposed to Vincent. JT is loyal to V to a fault. I totally understand why and their connection is so strong, but he is in a relationship now and he needs to acknowledge how Tess feels.
Catherine in this ep was way too caught up in trying to use the elopement to lure out the guy chasing them without picking up that Vincent does not want to elope. He wants a tradition wedding with all their loved ones.
V and Tess really had to eventually make their point clear to both their partners respectively. Essentially both V and Tess want the same thing, some kind of normalcy outside of the madness.
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