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Post by alwayscrazedbatbfan on Jul 10, 2015 0:00:10 GMT -5
Have to try to get out of the office soon, so can't read the reviews now. ANAPI, are the reviews overall POSITIVE or NEGATIVE? Or are they more in-line with some of the posts of the forum?
And I am hoping that RATINGS will be higher for this one then last week. Last week really was abysmal. Can't tell if that means that Beasties are not liking this season OR if it was because of the holiday. Because here in the US, everyone around here was leaving town for vacations over the 4th of July. No one was planning on watching tv but me. (Been a crazy week in court--most of the judges are on leave, so you have private warrant "fight court" in with divorce court and creditor judgments. And so many cases being continued because the lawyers are on vacation, too.) Was crazy of the CW to put on a new episode of BATB, in my opinion, last week if you wanted to consider ratings at all. Also worried that it would stall the momentum of the season. BUT glad that this weeks amount of postings seem to indicate that beasties have really gone nowhere and are still watching!
Because, in the end, I would rather watch BATB at its most broken than anything else. And the moments where the writers and showrunners completely get it RIGHT make it worth it! Still find it an interesting journey this season, and I still liked this episode in particular for its special moments and the strengths that the characters displayed individually, particularly the conviction in their love and in the faith of their friends!
(Ummm, and by the by, I thought Nicole was a regular this season. She has been MIA for the last two episodes, although JT was supposed to be on the phone with Heather in the last one. At least they didn't try to find a contrived reason to actually force her appearance.)
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Post by anapi -season3baby :) on Jul 10, 2015 0:04:03 GMT -5
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Post by Bill the beast on Jul 10, 2015 0:24:54 GMT -5
And now I have to agree with some of you: Agree with anapi -season3baby :)"Co-dependency" was used so much (even when they got it wrong), I felt like I was being sledge-hammered. Cat's caffeine-dependency is just one more problem she has to work on this season. Give her a break! She has always been a little wired. It's nearly as bad as quitting smoking, ya know. Agree with kiki09"villains by necessity and not choice" It does add a different dimension to their badness. No excuse for the wretched things they did but it is similar to the other "enhanced humans" in the beginning. In the case of B & C, however, their faculty of choice was still working fine. Agree with Suzieq ❤️ BeastieI like JT having his own themes, developing superpowers (I said he wouldn't stop with just healing). I also said healing is a lousy power if you still have to FEEL THE PAIN. Captain Tess vs. Detective Chandler. You could see that coming and I have to say I enjoyed seeing Cat get cut down to size. There was a deliberate paralleling of Vincent & Cat and Bob & Carol, but I never felt sympathy or even much similarity about B & C's "til death parts" love. I cheered when Carol took herself out. (Just me...) Yeah, if the coffeehouse is the new "place", I'm gonna start thinking Friends... I agree, the S1 love scenes flashback had me saying "Aw..." Agree with ragulr25There ARE similarities between Cat and Olivia. Thanks for pointing that out. Olivia was obsessed, limited, damaged by her past (or should I say "pasts"), yet still able to grow wonderfully. Don't miss the entire Fringe series. I've watched it more times than BatB (no, really!) Agree with alwayscrazedbatbfanNails it about the "co-dependency thing" and about Cat outsmarting her baddie (always her strong suit). I hear you about Interminable Sam last season, and now B & C are gone so soon. But maybe to make way for better...? Agree with ArwenFanDead on that Nick Roman can't see the trees for the, well, trees. He must be what cops would call a bleeding heart; can't tell the difference between someone who initiates force vs. someone who uses force in defense (of self or others). In fact the VERY difference between Vincent & Cat and Bob & Carol is morality. (For your other comments I will bury texasscotian 's pitchforks and torches) Agree with @locaxbatb You always make me "quiver with the same music", mi amiga. But please don't tell me I'm cycling through my days... arrgh! Too true about "delectable moment #6" and on the other hand about "blatant exposition". Opportunities lost - or just given away. As always, eloquent and insightful; hopefully we can keep you out of both of those pits. And I always agree with Bill the beastOne final thought about that last scene. I think the problem was with KK (pains me to say). If she had asked the question a little less seriously, maybe with a wry smile, as if she was teasing or sparring with Vincent, then he could have "won" by the quickness and perfection of his response. And, of course, they'd both be winning... Just an idea...
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Post by anapi -season3baby :) on Jul 10, 2015 0:37:26 GMT -5
And now I have to agree with some of you: Agree with anapi -season3baby :)"Co-dependency" was used so much (even when they got it wrong), I felt like I was being sledge-hammered. Cat's caffeine-dependency is just one more problem she has to work on this season. Give her a break! She has always been a little wired. It's nearly as bad as quitting smoking, ya know. Agree with kiki09"villains by necessity and not choice" It does add a different dimension to their badness. No excuse for the wretched things they did but it is similar to the other "enhanced humans" in the beginning. In the case of B & C, however, their faculty of choice was still working fine. Agree with Suzieq ❤️ BeastieI like JT having his own themes, developing superpowers (I said he wouldn't stop with just healing). I also said healing is a lousy power if you still have to FEEL THE PAIN. Captain Tess vs. Detective Chandler. You could see that coming and I have to say I enjoyed seeing Cat get cut down to size. There was a deliberate paralleling of Vincent & Cat and Bob & Carol, but I never felt sympathy or even much similarity about B & C's "til death parts" love. I cheered when Carol took herself out. (Just me...) Yeah, if the coffeehouse is the new "place", I'm gonna start thinking Friends... I agree, the S1 love scenes flashback had me saying "Aw..." Agree with ragulr25There ARE similarities between Cat and Olivia. Thanks for pointing that out. Olivia was obsessed, limited, damaged by her past (or should I say "pasts"), yet still able to grow wonderfully. Don't miss the entire Fringe series. I've watched it more times than BatB (no, really!) Agree with alwayscrazedbatbfanNails it about the "co-dependency thing" and about Cat outsmarting her baddie (always her strong suit). I hear you about Interminable Sam last season, and now B & C are gone so soon. But maybe to make way for better...? Agree with ArwenFanDead on that Nick Roman can't see the trees for the, well, trees. He must be what cops would call a bleeding heart; can't tell the difference between someone who initiates force vs. someone who uses force in defense (of self or others). In fact the VERY difference between Vincent & Cat and Bob & Carol is morality. (For your other comments I will bury texasscotian 's pitchforks and torches) Agree with @locaxbatb You always make me "quiver with the same music", mi amiga. But please don't tell me I'm cycling through my days... arrgh! Too true about "delectable moment #6" and on the other hand about "blatant exposition". Opportunities lost - or just given away. As always, eloquent and insightful; hopefully we can keep you out of both of those pits. And I always agree with Bill the beastOne final thought about that last scene. I think the problem was with KK (pains me to say). If she had asked the question a little less seriously, maybe with a wry smile, as if she was teasing or sparring with Vincent, then he could have "won" by the quickness and perfection of his response. And, of course, they'd both be winning... Just an idea... ahaha bill I am glad you agreed with yourself i agree with all the above too, though I really did like the way cat asked this question. I liked seeing that moment of vulnerability and insecurity - everyone has such moments and I do think she essentially knew the answer all along. and I felt vincent's response was spot on too - it was clear from his facial expressions and obviously all his previous actions how he felt this vulnerability is one of the things I have been missing this season (also as per loca's post) and I did catch a glimpse of that in the scene, so I would not change that at all
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Post by pippin on Jul 10, 2015 2:10:58 GMT -5
And I always agree with Bill the beastOne final thought about that last scene. I think the problem was with KK (pains me to say). If she had asked the question a little less seriously, maybe with a wry smile, as if she was teasing or sparring with Vincent, then he could have "won" by the quickness and perfection of his response. And, of course, they'd both be winning... Just an idea... I didn't like Cat's line when I first saw the show either. I had flashbacks to Vincent's dreadful "Would you?" at the end of On Thin Ice. Although the timing of Vincent's line was detrimental to the show, whereas now the people left watching aren't going to be so easily turned off, I originally felt Cat's line was in a similar vein of trying to measure someone's love, but when I watched it tonight, I actually thought KK did the best thing she could with that line. I felt she asked it with a hint of worry or concern for Vincent. I think if she delivered it teasingly or glibly that it would have made light of Carol's killing herself and the effect it had on Cat. That said, I think it would have been more "romantic" if Vincent had gone primal when Bob was goading him about Carol killing Cat as opposed to finishing making his flash bomb. It's nice that he finally went primal when he thought JT had been killed but it would be nice if the thought of Cat being killed also did the same considering they are supposed to have this epic love for each other. Of course the way the show has been written . . .
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Post by anapi -season3baby :) on Jul 10, 2015 2:29:28 GMT -5
And I always agree with Bill the beastOne final thought about that last scene. I think the problem was with KK (pains me to say). If she had asked the question a little less seriously, maybe with a wry smile, as if she was teasing or sparring with Vincent, then he could have "won" by the quickness and perfection of his response. And, of course, they'd both be winning... Just an idea... I didn't like Cat's line when I first saw the show either. I had flashbacks to Vincent's dreadful "Would you?" at the end of On Thin Ice. Although the timing of Vincent's line was detrimental to the show, whereas now the people left watching aren't going to be so easily turned off, I originally felt Cat's line was in a similar vein of trying to measure someone's love, but when I watched it tonight, I actually thought KK did the best thing she could with that line. I felt she asked it with a hint of worry or concern for Vincent. I think if she delivered it teasingly or glibly that it would have made light of Carol's killing herself and the effect it had on Cat. That said, I think it would have been more "romantic" if Vincent had gone primal when Bob was goading him about Carol killing Cat as opposed to finishing making his flash bomb. It's nice that he finally went primal when he thought JT had been killed but it would be nice if the thought of Cat being killed also did the same considering they are supposed to have this epic love for each other. Of course the way the show has been written . . . I agree that would have been nice (him going primal then) but at the same time v went primal in that jt scene cause he had to break free from the chains. In the previous scene he thought he could tackle bob without going primal. Plus this season it seems that v can freely choose when to go primal or not. Him getting angry or upset does not automatically get him primal. I agree the writing could be much better but I still think there is no doubt Vincent loves Catherine to death and would do absolutely anything for her. Regarding that cat line I still read it as her asking cause she wants his affirmation rather than worrying about him doing a carol
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Post by kiki09 on Jul 10, 2015 2:55:28 GMT -5
Thanks VinCat❤Destined for the end scene clip. So sweet. I do enjoy some of the cute VinCat banter. I like the teasing or the bickering or the "heart to heart" conversations........ It feels more normal and comfortable. I must say seeing the Season 1 Vincent and Cat scenes took my breath away. I miss Vincent's longer hair and That Scar!! Can't help it, it symbolized his Beastie-ness. It made him a bit vulnerable. Cat gave him confidence. I never saw VinCat as "co-dependent".......that's negative and it makes you think that they hold each other back. I always thought the show did a good job with making it evident that Vincent and Catherine were "Better Together". They "complete each other."..........never once did I think that Vincent and Catherine were "Co-Dependent". I just didn't see it. I hope in someway we throw that term out the window and reinforce the "independently strong" yet, "Better Together" ! You know, as much as I am enjoying this season I still have a few niggling issues with the way they are doing things especially when it comes to the essence of Vincat. I'm not talking about romance really but just the innate characteristics Vincat has. I don't mind them being different or the writers trying different things but like you said Suzieq ❤️ Beastie, there is just something about the "co-dependent" thing that rubs me the wrong way and seems wholly inaccurate. They have functioned without each other a lot throughout the seasons but as the therapist said, their lives are unusually intertwined and that's what's so great about them. Vincent and Catherine could totally live their lives apart from each other and be fine human beings, but there is just something about them together that elevates both of them. And that leads me into my other big big issue with this season, the way they treat Vincent and Catherine's connection. At this point, it feels as if Catherine is Vincent's saviour and he would be beast 24/7 if not for her. To me, this is not the way I have even seen their connection nor her effect on him. Vincent has always been able to come back from beast, whether it was with great difficulty or none at all. Yes, Catherine and their love were a very crucial part of this but HE still had to make the effort to bring himself back. It does not make sense that only after 2 months of not beasting out etc. that only Catherine can save him in the way they are saying IMO I don't like harping on about s1 but, from the beginning it was always implied that their love, their connection is what helps him come back from beast. Now they continue to overemphasise (to the point of ridiculousness) that Catherine is what brings him back. Plus it feels as if they are treating Vincent as someone without any agency and that his entire existence (coming back from beast) is wholly dependent on Catherine and nothing else. I think that is wholly incorrect and it diminishes their connection at best, and makes Vincent look incapable at worst.
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Post by anapi -season3baby :) on Jul 10, 2015 2:59:03 GMT -5
Thanks VinCat❤Destined for the end scene clip. So sweet. I do enjoy some of the cute VinCat banter. I like the teasing or the bickering or the "heart to heart" conversations........ It feels more normal and comfortable. I must say seeing the Season 1 Vincent and Cat scenes took my breath away. I miss Vincent's longer hair and That Scar!! Can't help it, it symbolized his Beastie-ness. It made him a bit vulnerable. Cat gave him confidence. I never saw VinCat as "co-dependent".......that's negative and it makes you think that they hold each other back. I always thought the show did a good job with making it evident that Vincent and Catherine were "Better Together". They "complete each other."..........never once did I think that Vincent and Catherine were "Co-Dependent". I just didn't see it. I hope in someway we throw that term out the window and reinforce the "independently strong" yet, "Better Together" ! You know, as much as I am enjoying this season I still have a few niggling issues with the way they are doing things especially when it comes to the essence of Vincat. I'm not talking about romance really but just the innate characteristics Vincat has. I don't mind them being different or the writers trying different things but like you said Suzieq ❤️ Beastie, there is just something about the "co-dependent" thing that rubs me the wrong way and seems wholly inaccurate. They have functioned without each other a lot throughout the seasons but as the therapist said, their lives are unusually intertwined and that's what's so great about them. Vincent and Catherine could totally live their lives apart from each other and be fine human beings, but there is just something about them together that elevates both of them. And that leads me into my other big big issue with this season, the way they treat Vincent and Catherine's connection. At this point, it feels as if Catherine is Vincent's saviour and he would be beast 24/7 if not for her. To me, this is not the way I have even seen their connection nor her effect on him. Vincent has always been able to come back from beast, whether it was with great difficulty or none at all. Yes, Catherine and their love were a very crucial part of this but HE still had to make the effort to bring himself back. It does not make sense that only after 2 months of not beasting out etc. that only Catherine can save him in the way they are saying IMO I don't like harping on about s1 but, from the beginning it was always implied that their love, their connection is what helps him come back from beast. Now they continue to overemphasise (to the point of ridiculousness) that Catherine is what brings him back. Plus it feels as if they are treating Vincent as someone without any agency and that his entire existence (coming back from beast) is wholly dependent on Catherine and nothing else. I think that is wholly incorrect and it diminishes their connection at best, and makes Vincent look incapable at worst. Yup .. To all
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2015 5:13:20 GMT -5
Random comments: Did anyone else feel the weariness of Cat's antics in Tess's comment to her about leaving JT alone because he had something to worry about besides Cat's mythology? Did anyone else think Cat was a little disappointed that Vincent shook off the primal beast without her presence? Asking him if he would ever stop his heart for her on the heels of that question said a lot about Cat's insecurities. Maybe she knows she can be out of control, demanding, obsessive, bossy, and uberalpha and worries that one day Vincent will get sick of her and kick her to the curb. (Okay, I know I'm being mean, but I had to go there.)
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2015 5:18:17 GMT -5
Ummm.... it's not really clear to me if the last gif was meant for me or Jay? But if it was for me: And if it was meant for Jay?
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Post by ragulr25 on Jul 10, 2015 7:39:49 GMT -5
couple of qn? what did they do with bob body now?? didn't vin check bob phone he was chatting up with big bad ?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2015 7:42:42 GMT -5
Ok just watched the episode again and here are a few 'observations': - Vincent must not have good memories of him and Catherine in S2 and S3 since I've noticed all the flashbacks we've seen so far have been the same or from S1 ( please correct me if I'm wrong ) - So is this the end of 'super-powered J.T.'? Ummm....what was his superpower and why did they waste 5 episodes on it? - I'm still super annoyed and upset we didn't get a VinCat reunion scene! What a waste of what could have been one of THE best VinCat moments in the history of BATB! - Catherine begged Vincent not to say the 'c' word, yet not 5 seconds later she's gone and uttered the word I swear if I hear those words again, in addition to the following words: "primal, better together than apart, lose yourself " I will chase the writers with a pitchfork after pulling my hair out!! - Loved how everything around VinCat was blurred during the final kiss scene. Beautiful touch that I failed to notice during my first viewing - I don't think Vincent made it back on his own with his memories of Catherine. J.T. was basically there reminding him of Catherine's love - LOVE the J.T/V bromance! DON'T EVER MESS with that writers! Like EVER!! - I just had to share a comment I read on another site. I laughed out loud when I read it ( although I probably should have cringed inside and cried ): "I was surprised Cat didn't even make an attempt to help Carol . Reanimating Gabe was her favorite hobby last season."
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2015 7:57:26 GMT -5
couple of qn? what did they do with bob body now?? didn't vin check bob phone he was chatting up with big bad ? These questions weren't answered during the episode. I guess you can add them to the endless list of things 'we'll never know' in this show
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Post by batb4evr1 on Jul 10, 2015 8:02:02 GMT -5
Good Morning My Fellow Beasties and Beasts! I regrettably did not get to watch last night due to an urgent evening meeting-UGH!!! Poor timing to say the least! I did coyly state "I had to break a very important much needed date to be here"! At any rate, my watch session will be tonight to get in the groove I plan to watch 304 and then 305. And this weekend get back to where I left off in my Season 1 re-watch. Radio Silence except for after 5:00pm periodically visiting my Beastie Den to catch up with the postings until Sunday evening. Hope to catch some of you online in the forum.
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Post by NotOnTv on Jul 10, 2015 8:25:07 GMT -5
I believe the words "whoever is behind these experiments" could also make for good drinking game.
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