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Post by ArwenFan on Aug 24, 2015 20:36:29 GMT -5
(Beginning of rant - ignore if it bugs you : ok the wine glasses are back! You say this like it's a bad thing. As a wine drinker, I love to see Vincat having a glass of wine together, though you do have a point about the lack of displays of love and affection.
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Post by tonysol on Aug 25, 2015 0:22:02 GMT -5
Just to clarify - wine drinking is OK. I drink enough myself, so it's not that. Just that wine glasses seem to be the prop for face to face conversations, initially at Cat's place and now in the bar. How about a scene back home on the couch, with Vincent hugging Cat, comforting her in the loss of her father and discussing the day's events? Like I said, I get that they needed a more public place to end the episode with Liam looking in on them, but oh well. I liked the previous episode scene where they were together talking (can't remember offhand which episode atm) but Cat had her hand on Vincent's arm and she was just stroking it. I keep saying, we need to see them have more "hands on" time together. Please! Overall still enjoyed the episode, don't get me wrong. Loved Jason Gedrick. He's a great baddie.
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Post by lovebatb on Aug 25, 2015 7:33:06 GMT -5
Just watched it and while I enjoyed it and it felt less like the JTand T show for the first time in ages it did'nt blow me away like I thought it would. I would have Vibcent and Cat to have a talk about the fact that he will outlive her and it could have been done with such passion but once again that was lacking and I agree no hug or even a kiss at the end. I get that they couldn't get to mushy given what they were trying to do but yet sgain for me it was another missed opportunity for sone Vincat magic wasted. Loved the opening part and honestly thought it was real. R.I.P daddy reyonalds I wish they had used Ted more and even gone into more detail on just what he did do to Vincent. My biggest concern and worry now is that I don't see how they can give us a magic Vincat wedding with Liam still on the loose and I've a sad feeling and I hope I'm wrong is the photo still's that have been released for the last episode of the obe of them all having a drink will be the closing scene and not a wedding one, for me personally I'd love a whole episode dedicated to Vincat and give rhem and us the treasured memories that Vincent mentioned at Niagra Falls not just a quick few minutes but them reciting their wedding vows with love and feeling with everything they've gone through but sadly I don't see it happening Oh my God! I Just, unintentionally saw the pictures and I am really, really, really, worried about it!
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Post by alwayscrazedbatbfan on Aug 25, 2015 20:29:11 GMT -5
one of the episodes this season only had 38 minutes screen running time, and that still included a recap. So if that happens again for the Season 3 finale, then you have approximately 36 minutes of screentime to 1) wrap up the Liam storyline in SOME manner, 2) get Vincent found NOT to be responsible for any hospital wrongdoing so that he can again pursue his profession AND not be jailed, and 3) include any scene where the cast is together but not obviously at the wedding and 4) have Cat not be in trouble professionally or with IA. ALL that has to happen BEFORE we can get any kind of wedding.
I have assumed that we ARE, in fact, getting a wedding this season. Does anyone know if we ever were promised that the wedding would IN FACT result in the ACTUAL MARRIAGE? Because we have had two near-misses this season.
I just don't see how a wedding that we actually SEE will be able to be in 313, given the amount of things that have to be concluded, based on what everyone is reporting has been left open at the conclusion of this episode.
And from the descriptions of this episode, I actually feel SORRY for Liam. He has been abandoned repeatedly and had no one to help him cope with his beast issues. Revenge is all he has, and it sounds like he was basically a lost soul from the beginning of his existence due to things beyond his control. (Although HOW he ended up a beast would very much interest me, as the "beastness" sounds like it was there from childhood, resulting in his abandonment. Even Tori didn't become aware of her being a beast until well after puberty and her teen years. So WHERE did his "beast" come from? Is that ever explained?) All he had was hate since love was always beyond his reach. He clearly envies what VinCat have, and his watching them from afar just seems to confirm this. He talks of "suffering" due to always trying to struggle with being in control or not, so he obviously HAS tried, at some point, to live the "normal" life, that has always come to nothing. And just having someone try to brainwash him would OF COURSE make him angrier--just as we were angry when it was done to Vincent. Had he not murdered Rebecca back in the day, you would think that he might could be swayed to try a different kind of life. He seemed to really almost WANT to bond with Vincent, but that could have just been his desire to corrupt VIncent, all to show that you could NOT fight your beast side (to maybe make him feel better about his own choices).
And why wait a year to kill Rebecca. He could have so easily done so during her grief stage. I wonder if he tried to get her back, thinking that with Alistair gone, she would be willing to consider him.
Really would like more about Liam. I like the conflicted bad guy that you can compare with Vincent. That way, you really get to see the various ways that love and friendship have been the defining focal points for Vincent. He always had those things, even when in hiding. Liam has never had a place to belong. BATB has that tendency to turn bad guys good and vice versa (think he who shall never be named again). So I hope Liam is around for Season 4.
I'll have to see how I feel about Liam after I actually VIEW this episode. REALLY REALLY want it to be Thursday!
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Post by alwayscrazedbatbfan on Aug 25, 2015 20:38:30 GMT -5
As to the Wine Drinking this season on BATB:
I don't have any problem with them drinking wine. HOWEVER, this season, it appears to be the excuse to put them apart on the couch and keep them from having more than a peck on the lips, since they might drop their precious wine.
If they would have had a scene where the kiss turned deeper, the wine glasses fall unnoticed to the floor, and the scene faded to black while the two gave into feelings they couldn't deny one second longer, then you would hear absolutely NO complaints from me! Here, it seems an obvious contrivance to keep the romance down to a minimum. Which I DO have a problem with. They have shown us how BUSY their schedules are, so would they really just rather drink wine then do OTHER things, if given such time limitations? At this stage in their relationship? (They should just be drunk on ONE ANOTHER!!!) Sorry, just my desperate need for VinCat lovin' coming into play!!!
Hopefully, it will look and sound far more romantic than it does in the recap here. I will have to wait until Thursday. WHICH is FOREVER AND EVER away from now, it feels to me. WHY oh WHY must US Beasties suffer through a 4 DAY wait!!!! (I am CONVINCED, and no one will talk me out of it, that Monday through Thursday actually takes TRIPLE the time!!! Don't tell me about science and time, as it just CRAWLS until I get to FINALLY see the episode for myself!!!!)
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Post by pippin on Aug 26, 2015 1:17:49 GMT -5
Some comments and questions
KK looked very cute in the opening scene and loved her expressions, but I don't think saying you are "so sorry" after hitting someone with your car will placate them or help them much, and I wish that scene had been real. Not Liam killing Cat, but I really like the way he delivered those lines and the intensity.
Hopefully Nicole will get over her cold soon
I normally am not bothered nor do I much notice people's clothes, but what was that thing Cat was wearing --were they trying to make her look like a moth?
I thought JT's hockey scene was going to be a dream when I originally read about it, but it made for a nice JTnT moment and got Tess out of the precinct where she couldn't rescue Cat from the IA. I'm also still wondering if TPTB were rewarding Austin by letting him play out a scene like that.
Was surprised the whole scene where Vincent is eavesdropping on Liam and the Ellingsworth's gathered for the christening was deleted but V relayed the necessary information that Liam had taken over the family.
Why did it take Liam 161 years to try and off the Ellingsworths? He killed Rebecca a year after Al died so why wait so long to knock off the Ellingsworth clan?
If I were V and the evil person who set me up a few days ago referred his extremely important "sister" to me, I think I would have passed the case on to another doctor or someone who specialized in cases involving poisoning.
Finally Bob actually has a conversation with a prison visitor outside of his cell but how did he remember all of the ingredients and the amounts and is he a chemist or scientist too?
Jay looked cute holding the tranq gun but I swear he looked like he was going to start laughing at one point.
If I were Cat and an evil person didn't know I was related to the lover that jilted him, I wouldn't foolishly volunteer that information. And besides, Cat didn't even actually get the gem from her ancestor, she got it from Vincent, who stole if from some thieves, who stole it from some Russians -who had it why??
And why didn't the gem stop Liam from beasting out and killing Bob? Was Liam's hatred for R & A so strong that it overcame the effects of the gem?
And shouldn't Liam have been able to kill Heather and JT too even if they got a head start?
How could JT still stay in that place with another broken window, trashed and bloodstained interior and another dead body.
KK looked lovely in the last scene, but how could Cat and Vincent have drinks in a public place when there's a superhuman vengeful murderous beast after them?
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Post by AlisongladaboutSeason4 on Aug 26, 2015 17:54:15 GMT -5
Some comments and questions KK looked very cute in the opening scene and loved her expressions, but I don't think saying you are "so sorry" after hitting someone with your car will placate them or help them much, and I wish that scene had been real. Not Liam killing Cat, but I really like the way he delivered those lines and the intensity. Hopefully Nicole will get over her cold soon I normally am not bothered nor do I much notice people's clothes, but what was that thing Cat was wearing --were they trying to make her look like a moth? I thought JT's hockey scene was going to be a dream when I originally read about it, but it made for a nice JTnT moment and got Tess out of the precinct where she couldn't rescue Cat from the IA. I'm also still wondering if TPTB were rewarding Austin by letting him play out a scene like that. Was surprised the whole scene where Vincent is eavesdropping on Liam and the Ellingsworth's gathered for the christening was deleted but V relayed the necessary information that Liam had taken over the family. Why did it take Liam 161 years to try and off the Ellingsworths? He killed Rebecca a year after Al died so why wait so long to knock off the Ellingsworth clan? If I were V and the evil person who set me up a few days ago referred his extremely important "sister" to me, I think I would have passed the case on to another doctor or someone who specialized in cases involving poisoning. Finally Bob actually has a conversation with a prison visitor outside of his cell but how did he remember all of the ingredients and the amounts and is he a chemist or scientist too? Jay looked cute holding the tranq gun but I swear he looked like he was going to start laughing at one point. If I were Cat and an evil person didn't know I was related to the lover that jilted him, I wouldn't foolishly volunteer that information. And besides, Cat didn't even actually get the gem from her ancestor, she got it from Vincent, who stole if from some thieves, who stole it from some Russians -who had it why?? And why didn't the gem stop Liam from beasting out and killing Bob? Was Liam's hatred for R & A so strong that it overcame the effects of the gem? And shouldn't Liam have been able to kill Heather and JT too even if they got a head start? How could JT still stay in that place with another broken window, trashed and bloodstained interior and another dead body. KK looked lovely in the last scene, but how could Cat and Vincent have drinks in a public place when there's a superhuman vengeful murderous beast after them? In answer to a couple of the points you made I think........ 1) Vincent's curiosity got the better of him and also, Cat had told him it was paramount to protect Helen Ellingsworth so I think he thought it was his responsibility to keep her safe. Vincent clearly knew how to treat the poisoning and gave her the most effective drug but obviously, Liam obscured the fact that she was allergic to the medicine. Then when he went back in to finish her off, he made sure her notes showed CLEARLY what she was allergic to, to get Vincent into trouble. 2) Maybe Reynolds had a notebook with him with all his personal stuff and maybe the recipe for the memory serum was stuffed into that. 3) Agree it made no sense for Cat to tell Liam she was related to Rebecca, especially after Reynolds had told her not to volunteer that information. 4) Maybe Liam had forgotton all about JT and Heather being there as his memories seemed a little scrambled to say the least. 5) I think Cat may have taken the gem with her when she and Vincent rushed off to save the Ellingsworth family so Bob couldn't use it to suppress Liam's beast side. 6) I think it made perfect sense for Cat to wait for Vincent at the bar, in a public place, rather than at their appartment. I bet they don't spend the night there again until the threat of Liam is gone. Vincent had to move Reynolds body from JTs place after all. If the NYPD ever swept that place it would be an Aladdin's cave of DNA evidence.
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Post by alwayscrazedbatbfan on Aug 27, 2015 10:37:53 GMT -5
YAYitISthursday!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! IT IS THURSDAY!!!!!!!!!! I FINALLY GET TO SEE THIS THING FOR MYSELF!!!!!!!!!!!! HISTORY AND SHOCKERS REGARDING LIAM!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WHOHOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2015 13:04:31 GMT -5
YAYitISthursday!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! IT IS THURSDAY!!!!!!!!!! I FINALLY GET TO SEE THIS THING FOR MYSELF!!!!!!!!!!!! HISTORY AND SHOCKERS REGARDING LIAM!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WHOHOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! have a good time! Enjoy your BATB night... waiting for your review!
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Post by Andromeda03 on Aug 27, 2015 20:20:33 GMT -5
Happy Episode Day US Beasties! Enjoy the episode everyone!
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Post by DayaBEASTS4 on Aug 27, 2015 20:28:51 GMT -5
AWESOME EPISODE!! I like it JT w the bucket list Awesome!! Cat getting in trouble with IA and Vincent at work I WANNA A DETOUR PLEASE!! The face of the Beast looking the child.. priceless Sorry for BOB... I really like his work,, good actor Ted Whittall Sweet final scene and jealousy
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Post by batb4evr1 on Aug 27, 2015 20:45:46 GMT -5
AWESOME EPISODE!! I like it JT w the bucket list Awesome!! Cat getting in trouble with IA and Vincent at work I WANNA A DETOUR PLEASE!! The face of the Beast looking the child.. priceless Sorry for BOB... I really like his work,, good actor Ted Whittall Sweet final scene and jealousy My thoughts. Great episode. One major gripe, I watched far more commercials than show in Central US. Do they really not support this show or what! Jay Ryan, Kristin Kreuk, Austin Basis, Nina Lisandrello, Nicole Anderson and Ted Whittall, fantastic portrayals tonight! I am devastated that we have one more episode before it all ends until next summer's final 13 episode! While watching tonight, I got so tempted to move or spend a great amount of time while working in Toronto just to see what is next for Kristin and Jay's careers! Lunch at some of the prominent places to subtlety put the vibe out in an unofficial capacity that these actors are sure bets to any and all movers and shakers in Toronto. All our actors in BATB deserve much more recognition and promotion then they seemingly are receiving. I appreciate the entertainment that they have shared with us for these past 3 seasons with 1 final one to go. The premise of our show, although remarkably portrayed, seems to be causing these actors to be overlooked. I truly hope Jay does not give up on this side of the pond and return to New Zealand unless it is what he truly wants. I really want to see our BATB team in other projects very soon if BATB is truly ending after Season 4.
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Post by DayaBEASTS4 on Aug 27, 2015 21:11:16 GMT -5
AWESOME EPISODE!! I like it JT w the bucket list Awesome!! Cat getting in trouble with IA and Vincent at work I WANNA A DETOUR PLEASE!! The face of the Beast looking the child.. priceless Sorry for BOB... I really like his work,, good actor Ted Whittall Sweet final scene and jealousy My thoughts. Great episode. One major gripe, I watched far more commercials than show in Central US. Do they really not support this show or what! Jay Ryan, Kristin Kreuk, Austin Basis, Nina Lisandrello, Nicole Anderson and Ted Whittall, fantastic portrayals tonight! I am devastated that we have one more episode before it all ends until next summer's final 13 episode! While watching tonight, I got so tempted to move or spend a great amount of time while working in Toronto just to see what is next for Kristin and Jay's careers! Lunch at some of the prominent places to subtlety put the vibe out in an unofficial capacity that these actors are sure bets to any and all movers and shakers in Toronto. All our actors in BATB deserve much more recognition and promotion then they seemingly are receiving. I appreciate the entertainment that they have shared with us for these past 3 seasons with 1 final one to go. The premise of our show, although remarkably portrayed, seems to be causing these actors to be overlooked. I truly hope Jay does not give up on this side of the pond and return to New Zealand unless it is what he truly wants. I really want to see our BATB team in other projects very soon if BATB is truly ending after Season 4. WOW!! batb4evr1 moved by your words Ditto
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Post by BeastieBoy on Aug 28, 2015 3:15:23 GMT -5
I normally am not bothered nor do I much notice people's clothes, but what was that thing Cat was wearing --were they trying to make her look like a moth?LOL! OK, I know someone made some rude remarks to Catherine Ashton that made her leave twitter, but while the person should have used more tact, she had a point IMHO. The wardrobe choices for Cat have been hit or miss this season, more often bad misses for my taste. What happened to all those beautiful dress seen in S1? I just don't understand how CA can pick and design such wonderful outfits in S1 and now choose such drab looking and sometimes plain goofy outfits in S3. Go figure?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2015 6:15:44 GMT -5
batb4evr1 well said. J is not only a pretty face, and I hope too that if he will decide to come back in New Zealand it will be only for a project but with option to go to and from USA. I hope that uSA film industry will notice what we have seen through this season
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